Chiefs Kirwan is smoking crack....Charles #6 on his Best RB in NFL list???

talastan · 05-31-2011, 02:29 PM

Ranking any position is really just an exercise in reviewing past performance and projecting a player's supporting cast for the future.

As in the past, I prefer to group players in sections of five, in alphabetical order, so please don't view the last back in Group B as the 10th-best back. There will also be an arrow up (^), down (v) or flat (>) indicating where I think a player might end up at the end of the 2011 season if he stays healthy and plays 16 games.

Here are the running back groupings in alphabetical order:

GROUP A (1-5)
1. Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars (>): Jones-Drew was fifth in rushing while playing in 14 games. He plays with a bull's eye on his back due to the lack of a great passing game in Jacksonville.

2. Arian Foster, Texans (^): A rising star who did it all in his first season as a starter, finishing first in rushing yards and second in runs of more than 10 yards.

3. Chris Johnson, Titans (>): Johnson was fourth in rushing yards, but fell well short of his prediction to have the greatest rushing season ever. Things could get tough when Jake Locker takes the field and defenses focus on the run game.

4. Adrian Peterson, Vikings (>): The best back in the NFL, but he too could be paired with a rookie quarterback, which spells extra defenders near the line of scrimmage.

5. Michael Turner, Falcons (>): A solid workhorse who finished third in rushing and tied for fourth in rushing touchdowns. The Falcons' passing game creates conflicts for defenses and Turner will benefit from a lot of run audibles against two-high safeties. He could have a big year.

GROUP B (6-10)
1. Jamaal Charles, Chiefs (^): Charles needs the ball even more this year. He led the NFL in explosive runs with 45 (carries of 10-plus yards), and his ratio of 10-plus yard runs to carries was off the charts at 1:5. He averaged 6.4 yards per rush last year.

2. Steven Jackson, Rams (v): A big, workhorse back who gets the tough yardage, he finished second in carries at 330. Jackson really needs the passing game to grow and another back to lighten the load, or he is going to run out of gas.

3. LeSean McCoy, Eagles (^): McCoy led the NFL in receptions (78) among running backs and was fourth in yards from scrimmage. Like Charles, he's on his way to big things.

4. Darren McFadden, Raiders (>): A dual-threat as a runner and receiver. He averaged 5.2 yards per carry and could become a bigger threat in the passing game with Hue Jackson as the coach.

5. Ray Rice, Ravens (>): A workhorse who would benefit from a reduction in the 307 carries he had last season.

GROUP C (11-15)
1. Cedric Benson, Bengals (>): A very productive back since joining the Bengals. He will still give you 18-20 carries and 100 yards.

2. Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (^): Bradshaw is explosive, has more power than many think and is a threat as a receiver. He moved into the feature role last season ahead of Brandon Jacobs and had a ratio of 1:8 in 10-yard runs per attempt. He could be a free agent this year.

3. Matt Forte, Bears (>): Forte gets his 1,000 yards behind a questionable line and scares defenses more as a receiver. Not flashy, but really solid in all phases of the game.

4. Frank Gore, 49ers (v): A very physical runner and no one works harder. Gore scored only three touchdowns in 11 games. He still generates a ratio of 1:10 in 10-plus yard runs.

5. Peyton Hillis, Browns (>): Burst onto the scene last year and wound up on the cover of the "Madden" game. He was third among running backs in receptions and tied for sixth in touchdowns.

5B. DeAngelo Williams, Panthers (>): Injured last year and only played in six games. Williams rushed for 2,632 yards and 25 touchdowns in the last two full seasons he played (2008-09).

Article is continued here....If you care to read anymore...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...?module=HP_cp2

**The Franchise** · 05-31-2011, 02:31 PM

I'm still going to need Arian Foster to show he's consistent before I can put him in the top 5.

mnchiefsguy · 05-31-2011, 02:32 PM

Charles should have been in the top five no doubt. He is clearly ahead of Michael Turner and is the equal of the other four as well.

**DaKCMan AP** · 05-31-2011, 02:33 PM

I'd put Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson ahead of Charles. That's about it, though.

**Easy 6** · 05-31-2011, 02:36 PM

Ah, who cares what Kirwan & his 70's pron stache thinks... he needs to splash on some more Hai-Karate & head home for the CHIPS season finale.

ModSocks · 05-31-2011, 02:52 PM

WTF? Was this list made 2 years ago? MJD Number 1? Are you kidding me? Turner #5?

.....One more to add to my Moran list.

Mr. Laz · 05-31-2011, 02:56 PM

depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation

The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthy

ModSocks · 05-31-2011, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation

The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthy

If you add durability into the equation then you can knock MJD & Turner even further down the list. The wheels are falling off those horses.

Skyy God · 05-31-2011, 02:59 PM

Kirwan's way too low on McCoy (4th in yds from scrimmage last year) and Ray Rice. Both are better than the Burner or the remnants of S-Jax.

Fritz88 · 05-31-2011, 03:01 PM

Kirwan can suck a dick.

Skyy God · 05-31-2011, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

depends on if you include durability into the ranking equation

The chiefs are limiting his carries and he can still barely stay healthy

Barely healthy, you say. How many games has he lost to injury?

**The Franchise** · 05-31-2011, 03:05 PM

I would put Frank Gore higher than Kirwan has him.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-31-2011, 03:07 PM

It should be noted that he is NOT ranked 6th; he's somewhere between 6 and 10.

Mr. Laz · 05-31-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

If you add durability into the equation then you can knock MJD & Turner even further down the list. The wheels are falling off those horses.

um ... MJD has missed 3 games in his entire career. He has 300 carries in both of the last 2 seasons.

Since Turner became a starter he has had one significant injury and he missed 5 games in 2009. He had 300+ carries 2009 and 2010.

last year was Charles' 1st year going over 200(w/ 230) carries and every time he hits that shoulder of his everyone holds their breath.

maybe you should go back on the crack

**The Franchise** · 05-31-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

It should be noted that he is NOT ranked 6th; he's somewhere between 6 and 10.

I'm pretty sure he's ranked 6th.

05-31-2011, 02:29 PM
talastan Manning, we're coming for you! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Springfield, Mo Casino cash: $10004950	Kirwan is smoking crack....Charles #6 on his Best RB in NFL list??? Ranking any position is really just an exercise in reviewing past performance and projecting a player's supporting cast for the future. As in the past, I prefer to group players in sections of five, in alphabetical order, so please don't view the last back in Group B as the 10th-best back. There will also be an arrow up (^), down (v) or flat (>) indicating where I think a player might end up at the end of the 2011 season if he stays healthy and plays 16 games. Here are the running back groupings in alphabetical order: GROUP A (1-5) 1. Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars (>): Jones-Drew was fifth in rushing while playing in 14 games. He plays with a bull's eye on his back due to the lack of a great passing game in Jacksonville. 2. Arian Foster, Texans (^): A rising star who did it all in his first season as a starter, finishing first in rushing yards and second in runs of more than 10 yards. 3. Chris Johnson, Titans (>): Johnson was fourth in rushing yards, but fell well short of his prediction to have the greatest rushing season ever. Things could get tough when Jake Locker takes the field and defenses focus on the run game. 4. Adrian Peterson, Vikings (>): The best back in the NFL, but he too could be paired with a rookie quarterback, which spells extra defenders near the line of scrimmage. 5. Michael Turner, Falcons (>): A solid workhorse who finished third in rushing and tied for fourth in rushing touchdowns. The Falcons' passing game creates conflicts for defenses and Turner will benefit from a lot of run audibles against two-high safeties. He could have a big year. GROUP B (6-10) 1. Jamaal Charles, Chiefs (^): Charles needs the ball even more this year. He led the NFL in explosive runs with 45 (carries of 10-plus yards), and his ratio of 10-plus yard runs to carries was off the charts at 1:5. He averaged 6.4 yards per rush last year. 2. Steven Jackson, Rams (v): A big, workhorse back who gets the tough yardage, he finished second in carries at 330. Jackson really needs the passing game to grow and another back to lighten the load, or he is going to run out of gas. 3. LeSean McCoy, Eagles (^): McCoy led the NFL in receptions (78) among running backs and was fourth in yards from scrimmage. Like Charles, he's on his way to big things. 4. Darren McFadden, Raiders (>): A dual-threat as a runner and receiver. He averaged 5.2 yards per carry and could become a bigger threat in the passing game with Hue Jackson as the coach. 5. Ray Rice, Ravens (>): A workhorse who would benefit from a reduction in the 307 carries he had last season. GROUP C (11-15) 1. Cedric Benson, Bengals (>): A very productive back since joining the Bengals. He will still give you 18-20 carries and 100 yards. 2. Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (^): Bradshaw is explosive, has more power than many think and is a threat as a receiver. He moved into the feature role last season ahead of Brandon Jacobs and had a ratio of 1:8 in 10-yard runs per attempt. He could be a free agent this year. 3. Matt Forte, Bears (>): Forte gets his 1,000 yards behind a questionable line and scares defenses more as a receiver. Not flashy, but really solid in all phases of the game. 4. Frank Gore, 49ers (v): A very physical runner and no one works harder. Gore scored only three touchdowns in 11 games. He still generates a ratio of 1:10 in 10-plus yard runs. 5. Peyton Hillis, Browns (>): Burst onto the scene last year and wound up on the cover of the "Madden" game. He was third among running backs in receptions and tied for sixth in touchdowns. 5B. DeAngelo Williams, Panthers (>): Injured last year and only played in six games. Williams rushed for 2,632 yards and 25 touchdowns in the last two full seasons he played (2008-09). Article is continued here....If you care to read anymore... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...?module=HP_cp2
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