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01-21-2019, 09:01 AM | #2 |
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Keep him unless somebody knows how to replace 15.5 sacks for less money. I sure don't. He's one of the only players who gave the defense a chance.
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01-21-2019, 10:14 AM | #3 |
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I think I am okay with whatever they do, there's a few lines of thought here:
1. He's still a bit of a one trick, speed rusher. The Chiefs expect to have and maintain the kind of offense where they will be able to utilize that going forward. 2. Maybe there's an argument that plenty of guys who are better against the run would be a better fit. A lot of guys can pin their ears back and hammer at an O line when the Chiefs have established a two score lead, but a solid all rounder who is better in run defense helps the Chiefs get out to that lead more consistently. 3. Maybe good quarterbacks like Brady will always neutralize a pass rush like Fords, and spending the money on guys who can cover and let average guys actually get home would be a better use of resources. I think if you could get a 2nd round pick on the tag and trade, that would be my preferred option. Tag, tag and trade, contract, let walk, nothing would really piss me off unless they signed him to a ridiculously big contract. Food for thought though, my 4-3 mock on here I let him walk and signed Trey Flowers as DE. Ford is a way better pass rusher than Flowers but Flowers contributes way more overall to a team and probably gets paid less. Last edited by Chargem; 01-21-2019 at 11:07 AM.. |
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01-21-2019, 10:32 AM | #5 |
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If there is going to be a work stoppage in two years, ie a major reworking of the collective bargaining agreement, then the smart move is to make short term agreements to win now, while also making moves to flush some major contracts.
This actually sets cup well for the Chiefs. To win now the Chiefs keep guys like Houston, Ford and Berry for the near term. Basically we are bringing them both back for 2020 only, much easier to walk away from both after next season. You also tag Ford, again a one year deal is perfect, especially if teams are not going to be handing out multi year deals. Tagging Ford and keeping Berry and Houston for 2020 not only helps the Chiefs "win now" but I think it also makes the most financial sense. |
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01-21-2019, 11:27 AM | #6 |
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I think i'm in the Tag or Tag and Trade camp. Not that i'd be pissed about a contract but just think the first two make more sense.
I think you make Ford have another year of good health and 15 sacks and then see where you are with the cap next offseason. |
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01-21-2019, 11:39 AM | #7 | |
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I think a lot of his sack total being so high this year was the benefit of playing with Jones and Houston anyway. I think he's overvalued. |
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01-21-2019, 05:21 PM | #8 |
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All defensive personnel questions have to wait until they decide if they're keeping Bob Sutton and other defensive coaches. If you hire a new DC, and have a different scheme, you will get different outcomes.
Dee Ford *might* be able to play LEO in a 4-3, but that's very risky. Houston can probably transition to DE in a 4-3 more easily than Ford to LEO. I totally agree that one play should not define this decision. He was off sides. It shouldn't happen. But he was still the #2 or 3 defensive playmaker this year. |
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01-21-2019, 09:02 PM | #9 |
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I'm going to preface this by saying that this defense was at it's best in a 4 man front with Ford and Houston on the edges and Nnadi and Jones on the inside. Ford improved 10-fold against the run this year. He made a lot of plays from the off-play side in the running game this year. He'll always be a guy that is going to get taken to the cleaners head up against the run but he holds up better than he used to.
If this team intends to go to a 4-3 base (which I prefer), then I think a tag and trade is in order. I think you can get a 2nd round pick for him at least and may possibly be able to snag a 1st. If they stick with a 3-4 base, then I think re-signing him is the best option. |
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01-22-2019, 09:48 AM | #10 |
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I'm guessing they'll tag him and see what happens in terms of a trade or just keeping him.
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01-22-2019, 10:43 AM | #11 |
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I tag and trade him.
For the rest of my life that will be the Dee Ford game. Fair or unfair, I'm not alone there. That's not a stink that will ever wash of for me or a large number of fans. I know that's not exactly the best reason to make a personnel decision but think of how many times a player has worn the goat horns and then come back to the same team - it ain't often and the results are rarely stellar. The guy managed to put up exactly NOTHING in 90 some defensive snaps. I truly have no idea how you do that. He contributed one thing to that entire game and it was a braindead, nonsensical penalty that cost us a ballgame. I just don't know that I could bring him back after that. I know it's not rational but the history in these situations just isn't great.
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01-22-2019, 10:56 AM | #13 |
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It's hard for me to trust Ford at all. Yeah he made a bunch of big plays this season but so did Houston when he had 22 sacks and that ****ing bit us in the ass. I'd look to tag and trade him.
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How do you play that many snaps and not at least stumble into an assist or a pressure? He literally put NO statline. That's seemingly impossible. I just cannot wrap my mind around how poorly he played in that game and then to have your sole contribution be a completely unforced error that literally changed the franchise's history...ugh.
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