Chiefs Chiefs targeted, but by who? - Page 13

Hog's Gone Fishin · 12-01-2018, 05:40 AM

5 weeks left in the season and then playoffs. The release of the video was a deliberate conspiracy to sabatoge the Chiefs season knowing this would be an automatic 6 game exemption. With the underhanded things the Patriots have been caught doing in the past, it would make a person wonder.

TomBarndtsTwin · 12-04-2018, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Let's play. So, why would the NFL push to elevate certain teams over others... big market love? It's all about money, right?

We all agree there are crappy calls and bad officials. The disconnect comes from the grand conspiracy.

The NFL ignored LA for a very long time. All of a sudden, they want to pump up the two teams there? I get the narrative around the stadium funding, I'm just not buying it.

Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Biggest franchise and global fan base in the history of the league.

The Cowboys are 2-8 since the 1998 season, never winning anything greater than a wildcard game since the 1995 SuperBowl.

23 years since their last SB win and only 3 playoff wins in that span.
Only 7 double digit win seasons in that span.

Why would the NFL not make the Cowboys more relevant during the past quarter century? Ratings, marketing, dollars ... all the components are there.

So, why?

For the record, I don't neccessarily buy into the whole 'conspiracy' thing, but I'll play devils advocate for a minute.

Why would the league need to prop up the Cowboys? They have the largest national following of any team in the league (have since the 70's). People will follow them regardless of whether they're winning or losing. It doesn't matter. Where would you rank Elliott and Prescott in the rank of NFL players? Among the Top 5 in the NFL? Probably not, right? Yet, they are 2 of the Top 5 selling jerseys in the NFL over the last few years. People love Dallas and will support them.

Now, with that, it's not a stretch to say that LA does not exactly have a 'devoted' fanbase when it comes to football teams. It's been proven in the past and probably will be again at some point in the future. BUT the NFL very much wants football to succeed in LA. It would mean a LOT financially for the league. New stadiums are being built, new fanbases are being created and trying to be 'won over'. I'm not saying it's a 'conspiracy', mind you, but its naive to think the NFL doesn't have a vested interest in success in the LA markets and it wouldn't shock me IF they steered things to make that happen. It wouldn't be the first time a major professional sports league has done that with an 'expansion' franchise. It's good business for the NFL and for all the owners to have two successful teams in LA, especially now.

Also, keep an eye on the Raiders the next couple years and what happens with them. Regardless of whether you believe in conspiracies or not, there are ALWAYS agendas in play . . . . . .

Fish · 12-04-2018, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

For the record, I don't neccessarily buy into the whole 'conspiracy' thing, but I'll play devils advocate for a minute.

Why would the league need to prop up the Cowboys? They have the largest national following of any team in the league (have since the 70's). People will follow them regardless of whether they're winning or losing. It doesn't matter. Where would you rank Elliott and Prescott in the rank of NFL players? Among the Top 5 in the NFL? Probably not, right? Yet, they are 2 of the Top 5 selling jerseys in the NFL over the last few years. People love Dallas and will support them.

Now, with that, it's not a stretch to say that LA does not exactly have a 'devoted' fanbase when it comes to football teams. It's been proven in the past and probably will be again at some point in the future. BUT the NFL very much wants football to succeed in LA. It would mean a LOT financially for the league. New stadiums are being built, new fanbases are being created and trying to be 'won over'. I'm not saying it's a 'conspiracy', mind you, but its naive to think the NFL doesn't have a vested interest in success in the LA markets and it wouldn't shock me IF they steered things to make that happen. It wouldn't be the first time a major professional sports league has done that with an 'expansion' franchise. It's good business for the NFL and for all the owners to have two successful teams in LA, especially now.

Also, keep an eye on the Raiders the next couple years and what happens with them. Regardless of whether you believe in conspiracies or not, there are ALWAYS agendas in play . . . . . .

The NFL didn't pay for the new stadium. It's completely unnecessary for them to prop up any team. They will make money regardless of where the team is.
They have profit sharing explicitly for that purpose. The entire NFL is making record profit. Do they have a vested interest in seeing their teams succeed?
Sure. Would they risk their cash cow in a giant complex conspiracy just to try and nudge games? LOL, no. This is dumb.

Frazod · 12-04-2018, 09:21 AM

If the league's endgame is an all-LA Super Bowl, the first step is getting the Chargers the division. This will mean we'll have to lose to the Chargers and at least one other game. They'd probably prefer it if we lost to Baltimore first, since then a loss to the Chargers a week later would put us a full game back and probably **** us in tie-breaking scenarios.

We'll get flagged for anything and everything on Sunday, the Ravens will get away with murder, and the following Thursday, even though we'll all say it can't get any worse, they'll find a way.

I hope Pat's up for the challenge.

**Nzoner** · 12-04-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Biggest franchise and global fan base in the history of the league.

The Cowboys are 2-8 since the 1998 season, never winning anything greater than a wildcard game since the 1995 SuperBowl.

23 years since their last SB win and only 3 playoff wins in that span.
Only 7 double digit win seasons in that span.

Why would the NFL not make the Cowboys more relevant during the past quarter century? Ratings, marketing, dollars ... all the components are there.

So, why?

Just my opinion but I think a lot of it goes back to 1995

In response to the lawsuit, Jones and the Cowboys filed a motion to dismiss. This motion was granted in part. Then, Jones took a big risk: He filed a $750 million antitrust lawsuit against the league. It was this legal maneuver that put the Cowboys on the ground to becoming the most valuable NFL franchise. In 2013, Forbes valued the team at a league-wide high of $2,300 million.

Full article here

https://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciaj.../#d0cd12278121

TEX · 12-04-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Let's play. So, why would the NFL push to elevate certain teams over others... big market love? It's all about money, right?

We all agree there are crappy calls and bad officials. The disconnect comes from the grand conspiracy.

The NFL ignored LA for a very long time. All of a sudden, they want to pump up the two teams there? I get the narrative around the stadium funding, I'm just not buying it.

Look at the Dallas Cowboys. Biggest franchise and global fan base in the history of the league.

The Cowboys are 2-8 since the 1998 season, never winning anything greater than a wildcard game since the 1995 SuperBowl.

23 years since their last SB win and only 3 playoff wins in that span.
Only 7 double digit win seasons in that span.

Why would the NFL not make the Cowboys more relevant during the past quarter century? Ratings, marketing, dollars ... all the components are there.

So, why?

Are you really asking this question??? It starts with Jerry and ends with Jones.
The Cowboys are still relevant regardless, as you have illustrated by using them in your example.

crayzkirk · 12-04-2018, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

If the league's endgame is an all-LA Super Bowl, the first step is getting the Chargers the division. This will mean we'll have to lose to the Chargers and at least one other game. They'd probably prefer it if we lost to Baltimore first, since then a loss to the Chargers a week later would put us a full game back and probably **** us in tie-breaking scenarios.

We'll get flagged for anything and everything on Sunday, the Ravens will get away with murder, and the following Thursday, even though we'll all say it can't get any worse, they'll find a way.

I hope Pat's up for the challenge.

And I thought I was a Debbie Downer!

As much as this shakes me up, I am confident that Andy and the team will put together a game plan for the Ravens and then the Chargers. The defense will play better at home.

Frazod · 12-04-2018, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by crayzkirk

And I thought I was a Debbie Downer!

As much as this shakes me up, I am confident that Andy and the team will put together a game plan for the Ravens and then the Chargers. The defense will play better at home.

The difference between this year and previous years is that we finally have a QB who can overcome the fix. Despite the ref$' best efforts, we're still a dropped INT and a couple of lucky bounces away from undefeated.

So there's hope. But there's also the harsh reality of multi-billion dollar industry that sees us as nothing more than a shiny red obstacle for their golden boys to overcome.

**gblowfish** · 12-04-2018, 10:00 AM

Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!

https://www.masslive.com/expo/sports...convinced.html

**gblowfish** · 12-04-2018, 10:05 AM

Pittsburgh Dad is PISSED OFF!

In58men · 12-04-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Pittsburgh Dad is PISSED OFF!

He got annoying fast.

suzzer99 · 12-04-2018, 10:15 AM

OP makes a thread making fun of conspiracy nuts. And still they are drawn to it like moths to a flame. They just can't help themselves.

TEX · 12-04-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!

https://www.masslive.com/expo/sports...convinced.html

Yep. But they DID get hosed big time for certain twice, that lead directly to 14 pts. But **** THEM!

Frazod · 12-04-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

OP makes a thread making fun of conspiracy nuts. And still they are drawn to it like moths to a flame. They just can't help themselves.

I guess the people who think for you say everything's okay, right?

suzzer99 · 12-04-2018, 10:36 AM

No I'm just not so embroiled in paranoid fantasies that I can reason through it and figure out that a conspiracy involving 100s or 1000s of people, which is what it would take to do most of the shit alleged in this thread, is impossible to keep secret.

Could Goodell hand-pick refs for the Rams game that he knows are likely to cause a tight game - which will a) give more of an offensive show and b) happen to hurt the Chiefs D - which everyone knows holds all the time? Yes.

Is Goodell in their earpieces as has been literally claimed dozens of times in this forum? No of course not.

Is Goodell, constantly calculating ratings numbers and thinking shit like "the Chargers need to win here vs. Pittsburgh so Thursday night game in KC will have more impact"? No. You'd have to be mentally ill to think that.

Roger Dodger · 12-04-2018, 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=gblowfish;13934851]Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes!

Squealers fans are always crying about something. Just like Big Baby Ben.

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12-04-2018, 09:21 AM	#183
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2965085	If the league's endgame is an all-LA Super Bowl, the first step is getting the Chargers the division. This will mean we'll have to lose to the Chargers and at least one other game. They'd probably prefer it if we lost to Baltimore first, since then a loss to the Chargers a week later would put us a full game back and probably **** us in tie-breaking scenarios. We'll get flagged for anything and everything on Sunday, the Ravens will get away with murder, and the following Thursday, even though we'll all say it can't get any worse, they'll find a way. I hope Pat's up for the challenge.
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12-04-2018, 10:00 AM	#188
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17646178 VARSITY	Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes! https://www.masslive.com/expo/sports...convinced.html
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12-04-2018, 10:05 AM	#189
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17646178 VARSITY	Pittsburgh Dad is PISSED OFF!
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12-04-2018, 10:15 AM	#191
suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $2804284	OP makes a thread making fun of conspiracy nuts. And still they are drawn to it like moths to a flame. They just can't help themselves.
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12-04-2018, 10:36 AM	#194
suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $2804284	No I'm just not so embroiled in paranoid fantasies that I can reason through it and figure out that a conspiracy involving 100s or 1000s of people, which is what it would take to do most of the shit alleged in this thread, is impossible to keep secret. Could Goodell hand-pick refs for the Rams game that he knows are likely to cause a tight game - which will a) give more of an offensive show and b) happen to hurt the Chiefs D - which everyone knows holds all the time? Yes. Is Goodell in their earpieces as has been literally claimed dozens of times in this forum? No of course not. Is Goodell, constantly calculating ratings numbers and thinking shit like "the Chargers need to win here vs. Pittsburgh so Thursday night game in KC will have more impact"? No. You'd have to be mentally ill to think that.
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12-04-2018, 10:41 AM	#195
Roger Dodger Rookie Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $10000400	[QUOTE=gblowfish;13934851]Steelers fans are bitching that the Chargers game was rigged by the officials. Heh, sucks don't it? How about the Chiefs Arrowhead playoff loss to Pittsburgh when James Harrison flopped against Eric Fisher and cost us a game tying two point conversion? Cuts both ways, you assholes! Squealers fans are always crying about something. Just like Big Baby Ben.
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