Then & Now...Week 6 vs. AFCCG

[petegz28]

There are some significant differences between the 2 games that are largely favoring the Chiefs imo.

1. Obviously it is at Arrowhead not Gillete + Chiefs

2. Josh Gordon will not be running around in the secondary + Chiefs

3. Kareem Hunt will not be pwning the NE D + Pats

4. Shaw (WHO?) will not be covering Gronk + Chiefs

5. Speaks will not be starting for Houston + Chiefs

6. Wylie will be starting for LDT - Wash

7. Ward will be playing at CB instead of whoever did in Week 6 + Chiefs

8. Lucas will be starting at Safety instead of ???? + Chiefs

9. (Edit) The Pats will not go with 0 penalties accepted + Chiefs

Those are some very significant differences for this game and primarily on the defensive side of the ball. Take away a couple of offensive mistakes in week 6 and we still win. Now bring it to our house with an improved defense, at least personnel wise.

[B_Ambuehl]

Since that game the Pats have evolved into a running football team. They finished the regular season 2nd only to Seattle in rushing attempts and 1st in handoffs to a running back.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by bsp4444

Check your sarcasm meter...may need recalibration.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

In my past experience at Arrowhead when it gets that cold it starts to sap the energy out of the Arrowhead crowd. Hopefully Mahomes keeps us warm with his nuclear-powered arm.

Originally Posted by wazu

Gonna guess that the people who brave the weather for this showdown will tend to be the more relentless of our ilk.

Its hard to take off your gloves when its in the single digits. Your yelling is diminished. Some of that advantage is useless in single digit cold.


But, we cant control the weather. Its still Arrowhead. The Pats have lose 3 straight on the road in the AFCCG. It's our time.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

this is the worthiest opponent. If we win, we ****ing deserve it. We'll have beat the best of all time to get there.

You want to the King of the hill? You have to knock the current King off the hill.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Our sporting KC chant is appropriate here

I believe that we will win
I believe that we will win
Etc
Etc

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Since that game the Pats have evolved into a running football team. They finished the regular season 2nd only to Seattle in rushing attempts and 1st in handoffs to a running back.

NE ran the ball 38 times that night and Michel/White went for 145 on 30 carries. So there's really no difference as it pertains to this matchup.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I'm not playing this game. If you want to come out and say the Pats' pass D is overrated feel free. You won't hurt my feelings.

I didn't come out and say they're overrated because they're not.

They've played commensurate to their level of competition.

If you want to come out and say the Pats defense is GOOD, be my guest. You won't hurt my feelings.

But you'd be wrong.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You want to the King of the hill? You have to knock the current King off the hill.

Yep.

I think the NE matchup, for the Chiefs, was the harder of the two between them and the Chargers.

Yes, the Chargers are talented. Yes, they won in Arrowhead.

The simple fact is that the Chargers have no character. No actual "soul". They're a paper team and their QB is a paper tiger. They've been dominated by the Chiefs just like they've been dominated by the Patriots in the postseason.

THIS game, against New England, is the way it should be. If they Chiefs win, they beat the GOAT, they beat THE dynasty. New England is the best team in the AFC until somebody proves otherwise. That happens on Sunday.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

I think the NE matchup, for the Chiefs, was the harder of the two between them and the Chargers.

Yes, the Chargers are talented. Yes, they won in Arrowhead.

The simple fact is that the Chargers have no character. No actual "soul". They're a paper team and their QB is a paper tiger. They've been dominated by the Chiefs just like they've been dominated by the Patriots in the postseason.

THIS game, against New England, is the way it should be. If they Chiefs win, they beat the GOAT, they beat THE dynasty. New England is the best team in the AFC until somebody proves otherwise. That happens on Sunday.

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[203Pat]

I think the only real differences between us now and in October are, Gordon is gone, our running game has evolved somewhat, and our defense is playing a little more consistently.

Gordon being gone is a big loss. He finally was fully integrated into the offense right before he went off the reservation again. He wasn’t what he was in 2013 but he was our only deep threat and definitely helped open things up underneath for Edelman and the backs in space.

The running game has been better mainly due to the O-line. There was a goal line TD against the Chargers where everyone one of their D-lineman were pushed into the end zone. If we can win in the trenches I think it will go along way to neutralizing the pass rush that the Chiefs have. As far as that pass rush goes, I know Chris Jones is an all world pass rusher on the interior but I’ve heard he’s a liability against the run? What are everyone’s thoughts on that?

As for the defense we still don’t have a great pass rush but we have been getting a little more pressure as of late. Some well timed blitzes and a good secondary have definitely helped us over the last month or so. All that goes out the window if Hill is parting our double teams like the Red Sea. I’m assuming Bill will do whatever he can to take away Hill or Kelce and hoot the other one doesn’t kill us but I really have no idea how. My guess would be JC Jackson on Hill with safety help over the top and chipping Kelce on every play with Chung in coverage. Basically it’s pick your poison and I just hope not to see any peace signs.

[Angry fan]

Originally Posted by 203Pat

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The running game has been better mainly due to the O-line. There was a goal line TD against the Chargers where everyone one of their D-lineman were pushed into the end zone. If we can win in the trenches I think it will go along way to neutralizing the pass rush that the Chiefs have. As far as that pass rush goes, I know Chris Jones is an all world pass rusher on the interior but I’ve heard he’s a liability against the run? What are everyone’s thoughts on that?

From watching your last game it was your fullback James Develin and the blocking of your tight ends Gronkowski and Dwayne Allen. Man if only Travis Kelce could block, what a player he could be! Right now Kelce is just a move tight end. I wonder if he'll ever try to be competent blocker.

That Develin guy, he might be the best blocking fullback in the business. Not sure how Sherman made the all-pro over him, Sherman barely played!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 203Pat

I think the only real differences between us now and in October are, Gordon is gone, our running game has evolved somewhat, and our defense is playing a little more consistently.

Gordon being gone is a big loss. He finally was fully integrated into the offense right before he went off the reservation again. He wasn’t what he was in 2013 but he was our only deep threat and definitely helped open things up underneath for Edelman and the backs in space.

The running game has been better mainly due to the O-line. There was a goal line TD against the Chargers where everyone one of their D-lineman were pushed into the end zone. If we can win in the trenches I think it will go along way to neutralizing the pass rush that the Chiefs have. As far as that pass rush goes, I know Chris Jones is an all world pass rusher on the interior but I’ve heard he’s a liability against the run? What are everyone’s thoughts on that?

As for the defense we still don’t have a great pass rush but we have been getting a little more pressure as of late. Some well timed blitzes and a good secondary have definitely helped us over the last month or so. All that goes out the window if Hill is parting our double teams like the Red Sea. I’m assuming Bill will do whatever he can to take away Hill or Kelce and hoot the other one doesn’t kill us but I really have no idea how. My guess would be JC Jackson on Hill with safety help over the top and chipping Kelce on every play with Chung in coverage. Basically it’s pick your poison and I just hope not to see any peace signs.

Here's the thing about the NE running game. They were AWESOME agains the Chiefs back in Week 6. It just wasn't enough to keep Mahomes off the field or put the Chiefs away, at Foxboro even.

Chris Jones is a liability against the run, you heard right. It's because he's shooting up the field on every play. And while that in theory sounds good, it cuts both ways. It completely cancels out the whole idea that you can slow down the pass rush by running the ball. Our defense, especially Jones and a little bit Ford, don't play the run so much as they just shoot up field. Running the ball isn't going to the change that, so it's not like you can pound the rock and get them to stop and think about it. They basically play every down like it's a pass, which gets them gashed in the run game but creates havoc on pass plays. Does that make sense?

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I didn't come out and say they're overrated because they're not.

They've played commensurate to their level of competition.

If you want to come out and say the Pats defense is GOOD, be my guest. You won't hurt my feelings.

But you'd be wrong.

Ha

By the same criteria you have a similar assessment of the Chiefs' defense?

[203Pat]

Originally Posted by Angry fan

From watching your last game it was your fullback James Develin and the blocking of your tight ends Gronkowski and Dwayne Allen. Man if only Travis Kelce could block, what a player he could be! Right now Kelce is just a move tight end. I wonder if he'll ever try to be competent blocker.

That Develin guy, he might be the best blocking fullback in the business. Not sure how Sherman made the all-pro over him, Sherman barely played!

Gronk has definitely fallen off as an elite TE receiving-wise but as a blocker he’s still one of the best there is. He was walling off the DE’s on Sunday and was basically an extension of the O-line. As for Develin he definitely got robbed for the pro bowl. Especially since last year he was a pro bowler and he has had a better year this year even if you don’t count the few TD’s he’s scored. He’s been a battering ram as a lead blocker and big a big part of Sony coming on the second half of the year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Ha

By the same criteria you have a similar assessment of the Chiefs' defense?

Certainly. The Chiefs defense is flat out BAD against the run. Almost regardless of opponent. Like the Patriots, the Chiefs pass defense has gotten better over the last quarter of the season.

That being said, over the last half of the season, the level of competition (in terms of pass efficiency of the opposing offenses) isn't close to comparable. The Patriots have played against 4 of the 5 worst passing offenses in the league. Kansas City hasn't played ANYBODY below #17.