***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

They also changed the criteria for hospitalizations and might still be adjusting that.

Whatever, there are some that are just hell bent on making excuses as to why the new is always worse than it is.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Cuomo just had the chart up and the hospitalization rate has been in decline for a couple weeks now. But I guess he lied....

Lol.
Those charts say over 1k new hospitalizations a day. Right?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Decline total or decline in growth?

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday the number of people newly diagnosed and hospitalized with COVID-19 has continued to decrease, and was under 1,000 on Monday.

Have at it.. I am sure there is some way this is worse than what it is

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That sounds good and I'd like to believe it on its face but when I see the amount of "asymptomatic" people running around here I have to wonder what the real deal is? I know Germany was being touted and then a few days ago I saw a story about how they might have to lock down again.

New Zealand is a good one to read about. They have an advantage in terms of population density, but even so they've done about as good as anyone at truly stamping this thing out.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Lol.
Those charts say over 1k new hospitalizations a day. Right?

and the numbers are declining....

Maybe you should give the press conferences instead

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

New Zealand is a good one to read about. They have an advantage in terms of population density, but even so they've done about as good as anyone at truly stamping this thing out.

Well that's just it though. Places like SK, Iceland, etc. who have populations and land mass smaller that a couple of our states put together at best are a lot easier to control, I agree.

I just don't think the virus is ever going to go away. What virus has?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Have at it.. I am sure there is some way this is worse than what it is

Yeah so that said there were 1k NEW hospitalizations that day.


That's not a decline.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well that's just it though. Places like SK, Iceland, etc. who have populations and land mass smaller that a couple of our states put together at best are a lot easier to control, I agree.

I just don't think the virus is ever going to go away. What virus has?

SARS 1?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Yeah so that said there were 1k NEW hospitalizations that day.


That's not a decline.

I am sorry I am going to go by what he said and not what you think you know.

NEW YORK CORONAVIRUS HOSPITALIZATIONS LOWEST SINCE MARCH AFTER 19 STRAIGHT DAYS OF DECLINE
https://www.newsweek.com/new-york-co...ecline-1501607

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Whatever, there are some that are just hell bent on making excuses as to why the new is always worse than it is.

I was just pointing out that numbers alone don't always tell a true story of what is happening when it comes to this. We have gone through this with the people testing positive, antibody testing etc.. there maybe be more than 1 reason why hospitalizations are down or up.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You would not have had exponential growth in death rates occur so quickly in late March through April if this had been around in great number since December, especially given that the antibody tests, which were riddled with false positives, returned results so low.

I would suggest there were numerous deaths occurring from it prior to March. We know of a few as it is from them testing old samples. It just wasn’t as known due to a lack of testing and awareness. Just like with new cases, once we started testing for them more the numbers predictably quickly rose as well. Sure the numbers weren’t as great early on but they could easily have been growing until the boiling point of March as the more vulnerable populations became increasingly infected.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well that's just it though. Places like SK, Iceland, etc. who have populations and land mass smaller that a couple of our states put together at best are a lot easier to control, I agree.

I just don't think the virus is ever going to go away. What virus has?

SARS v1.0. There hasn't been a case since 2004.

[SAUTO]

If it was 1001 and today it's 1000 that's a decline.


But it's pretty disingenuous to state it that way by looking at those 2 numbers isn't it?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

SARS 1?

Did it actually die out? Okay so say it did. That's 1 out of how many? I know I am tweaking my question a bit so nanananana

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well that's just it though. Places like SK, Iceland, etc. who have populations and land mass smaller that a couple of our states put together at best are a lot easier to control, I agree.

I just don't think the virus is ever going to go away. What virus has?

SARS, I sure other have due to vaccines.