Todd Haley to be the OC of a high school team

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Frazod

I don't hate Haley. He was completely hamstrung by Pioli and Cassel. Dude never had a chance.

He failed in Pittsburgh and Cleveland too.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

He failed in Pittsburgh and Cleveland too.

It takes a long time to get the Pioli and Cassel cleaned off of you.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It takes a long time to get the Pioli and Cassel cleaned off of you.

This is true. Piolistink is the kind of stink that won't wash off with soap and water.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It takes a long time to get the Pioli and Cassel cleaned off of you.

I agree it wasn’t all Haley’s fault, Pioli deserves the scourge too. But, Haley’s inability to get along with his players. His hard headed my way or the highway approach to players when he had never won anything was a huge mistake, his alone mistake.

It’s just my opinion that Haley sucked as an NFL coach. His time as the Chiefs head coach was a disaster. We as fans suffered under his rein.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I agree it wasn’t all Haley’s fault, Pioli deserves the scourge too. But, Haley’s inability to get along with his players. His hard headed my way or the highway approach to players when he had never won anything was a huge mistake, his alone mistake.

It’s just my opinion that Haley sucked as an NFL coach. His time as the Chiefs head coach was a disaster. We as fans suffered under his rein.

Derrick Johnson was a chronic underachiever until Haley benched him and challenged his manhood.

Dwayne Bowe was shit before and after Haley.

Haley screamed Matt Cassel to 27 TD throws and 7 INTs, which actually resembles an NFL QB on paper...

Haley won the division in 2010 and had the team in contention to win in 2011 when he was fired. It was a "disaster" because of Pioli. The 2012 season, the season after Haley left, is the worst season in Chiefs history.

Looking at it in context, one understands that Haley actually made chicken salad out of total chickenshit, and it looks as if his heavy handed "my way or the highway" was what was needed at the time. Romeo "Play Good Football" Crennell won exactly 3 games with the same team after he took over.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Derrick Johnson was a chronic underachiever until Haley benched him and challenged his manhood.

Dwayne Bowe was shit before and after Haley.

Haley screamed Matt Cassel to 27 TD throws and 7 INTs, which actually resembles an NFL QB on paper...

Haley won the division in 2010 and had the team in contention to win in 2011 when he was fired. It was a "disaster" because of Pioli. The 2012 season, the season after Haley left, is the worst season in Chiefs history.

Looking at it in context, one understands that Haley actually made chicken salad out of total chickenshit, and it looks as if his heavy handed "my way or the highway" was what was needed at the time. Romeo "Play Good Football" Crennell won exactly 3 games with the same team after he took over.

He did a few good things like you mentioned. But overall he was a coordinator who got promoted beyond his capabilities.

Would he have done better with a better GM and more talent? Most likely. But he’s still not that great a head coach. There’s a reason he never got hired as a head coach again. He’s mediocre.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

He did a few good things like you mentioned. But overall he was a coordinator who got promoted beyond his capabilities.

Would he have done better with a better GM and more talent? Most likely. But he’s still not that great a head coach. There’s a reason he never got hired as a head coach again. He’s mediocre.

Of course he would've been better with a real GM an more talent. He inherited a 2-14 dumpster fire and improved the team immediately. No one's saying he was going to the HOF. But the 2 1/2 years under Haley are far from the "disaster" that others try to make it.

The real disaster was Pioli, and that was proven after Haley left.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Derrick Johnson was a chronic underachiever until Haley benched him and challenged his manhood.

Dwayne Bowe was shit before and after Haley.

Haley screamed Matt Cassel to 27 TD throws and 7 INTs, which actually resembles an NFL QB on paper...

Haley won the division in 2010 and had the team in contention to win in 2011 when he was fired. It was a "disaster" because of Pioli. The 2012 season, the season after Haley left, is the worst season in Chiefs history.

Looking at it in context, one understands that Haley actually made chicken salad out of total chickenshit, and it looks as if his heavy handed "my way or the highway" was what was needed at the time. Romeo "Play Good Football" Crennell won exactly 3 games with the same team after he took over.

Haley went 4-12. Pioli gave him some real coordinators in 2010 (instead of just letting Todd do all the work himself) and then when Weis left, the Chiefs were losers again.

Haley did some good things. It's hard NOT to do some good things when you're a head coach in this league-- you have too much power. But compared to the average NFL coach, Haley was dogshit. Let's please not pretend he was some genius held back by the likes of Pioli. Haley is a petulant douchetard. He deserves no praise, no excuses, and no what ifs.

This is an appropriate fate for him. It's where he belongs. Hell.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Haley went 4-12. Pioli gave him some real coordinators in 2010 (instead of just letting Todd do all the work himself) and then when Weis left, the Chiefs were losers again.

Haley did some good things. It's hard NOT to do some good things when you're a head coach in this league-- you have too much power. But compared to the average NFL coach, Haley was dogshit. Let's please not pretend he was some genius held back by the likes of Pioli. Haley is a petulant douchetard. He deserves no praise, no excuses, and no what ifs.

This is an appropriate fate for him. It's where he belongs. Hell.

No one is pretending.anything. I just remember how the entire team went to shit after Haley left. It was what it was.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

No one is pretending.anything. I just remember how the entire team went to shit after Haley left. It was what it was.

It wasn't like Haley had the team humming along, got fired, and then there was chaos. Haley had chaos built in to the Chiefs. Romeo just finished them off.

No, Haley didn't choose Cassel. But he sure as shit chose Tyler Palko. He didn't choose Tyson Jackson, but he sure as shit chose that one miserable vet asshole WR to start the Baltimore playoff game.

The list goes on and on. Reid apparently had a falling out with Dorsey, but we didn't hear shit about it until after Dorsey was fired. That's because Reid is a responsible leader. Haley is a ****ing child.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Haley went 4-12. Pioli gave him some real coordinators in 2010 (instead of just letting Todd do all the work himself) and then when Weis left, the Chiefs were losers again.

Haley did some good things. It's hard NOT to do some good things when you're a head coach in this league-- you have too much power. But compared to the average NFL coach, Haley was dogshit. Let's please not pretend he was some genius held back by the likes of Pioli. Haley is a petulant douchetard. He deserves no praise, no excuses, and no what ifs.

This is an appropriate fate for him. It's where he belongs. Hell.

Haley was not as bad as his critics want him to be. He clearly can't mentally handle even a shred of toxicity. But he's been in multiple situations where he got alone well with everyone. He was not a great coach, but he wasn't bad either. I don't blame him for palko. Keep in mind he jumped up and down for Hasselbeck, Dalton, and Kaepernick. That is 100% on Pioli for being so stupid not to bring in a backup who would dare challenge cassel for the starting job. And we fought our ass off. I still remember a game we lost I think against Pittsburgh where our team played so tough that we almost beat then behind Tyler palko. We saw that romeos short lived success was totally about riding the coattails of the tough team haley built.

It's a shame he has maturity issues because he is actually an outstanding coach. Not a great playcaller. But what he's done everywhere... He can coach one hell of a good run blocking OL. He is a hell of a WRs coach. And as much as people rip on his relationship with big Ben, haley did a really great job accomplishing something that wasn't easy. Forcing big Ben to stop freelancing. And everywhere he's gone players play really tough for him (then unsurprisingly look soft as dough when he leaves).

I wouldn't have minded seeing him with a less toxic front office. But yeah, his immaturity dealing with toxic shit makes him a complete liability which is why he will likely never coach in the NFL again.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Derrick Johnson was a chronic underachiever until Haley benched him and challenged his manhood.

Dwayne Bowe was shit before and after Haley.

Haley screamed Matt Cassel to 27 TD throws and 7 INTs, which actually resembles an NFL QB on paper...

Haley won the division in 2010 and had the team in contention to win in 2011 when he was fired. It was a "disaster" because of Pioli. The 2012 season, the season after Haley left, is the worst season in Chiefs history.

Looking at it in context, one understands that Haley actually made chicken salad out of total chickenshit, and it looks as if his heavy handed "my way or the highway" was what was needed at the time. Romeo "Play Good Football" Crennell won exactly 3 games with the same team after he took over.

Are you Todd Haley?

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

...Haley won the division in 2010 and had the team in contention to win in 2011 when he was fired. It was a "disaster" because of Pioli. The 2012 season, the season after Haley left, is the worst season in Chiefs history.

Looking at it in context, one understands that Haley actually made chicken salad out of total chickenshit, and it looks as if his heavy handed "my way or the highway" was what was needed at the time. Romeo "Play Good Football" Crennell won exactly 3 games with the same team after he took over.

Its funny how we remember the same thing completely differently. Haley was 5-8 when he was fired. Considering 8-8 was the best Haley could have done, I wouldnt exactly call that 'in contention'...as I recall, it seemed to me he lost the team and started tanking on purpose just to get fired and then all the nonsense about bugged phones, etc.

He wanted out...I get that, but why not just leave/resign instead of ****ing with the team.

But hey...remember him fondly if you want.

edit...forgot to comment on the OP....

Being demoted from NFL to high school football says maybe the guy doesnt play well with others...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Its funny how we remember the same thing completely differently. Haley was 5-8 when he was fired. Considering 8-8 was the best Haley could have done, I wouldnt exactly call that 'in contention'...as I recall, it seemed to me he lost the team and started tanking on purpose just to get fired and then all the nonsense about bugged phones, etc.

He wanted out...I get that, but why not just leave/resign instead of ****ing with the team.

But hey...remember him fondly if you want.

Because the Broncos won the division that year with an 8-8 record, and we beat them in week 17, if we had beaten the Raiders in week 16 we would've had the tiebreaker and would've won the division.

So, I consider that we were in contention because MATH.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Because the Broncos won the division that year with an 8-8 record, and we beat them in week 17, if we had beaten the Raiders in week 16 we would've had the tiebreaker and would've won the division.

So, I consider that we were in contention because MATH.

In The Lexicon...a Genious terms a prolific success as a 9-7 season with Gunther and I guess I could add the above, now. Fantastic.

When I read 'contention' I was reading contention to actually win something, like a playoff game...my bad. I didnt realize your aspirations for Haley was a second AFCW title and nothing more. Too bad he lost the team.