Chiefs Interesting O-Line Stats - Page 3

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2020, 01:51 AM

A couple of Chief OL are, apparently, playing well in the passing game.

Other fun stats at the link: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...gs#prwrplayers

Megatron96 · 12-02-2020, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Glad we agree.

OKchiefs · 12-02-2020, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You are absolutely obsessed with any position that you feel is understaffed or under-talented, despite the fact that the Chiefs are 19-1 in the past calendar year.

The Chiefs have the #1 offense in terms of yardage and the #2 offense in points at 31.6 points per game, just behind the #1 Packers at 31.7 points per game.

Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

How am I obsessed? I'm well aware we're in a good spot to run it back. Clearly any discussion on changes to the OL are centered around 2021, and have nothing to do with the current construction of the OL.

The original post you quoted by Chris Meck gave the disclaimer that we're in a good spot and have an excellent roster, and apparently that still isn't enough for you?

Am I coming out with statements of "The OL sucks!!!"? No, I'm giving thoughts on ways I personally would like to see them strengthen the team going forward into 2021 and beyond.

Is it really the end of the world to suggest Austin Reiter and Andrew Wylie are replacement level and if the opportunity presents itself those positions should be addressed?

Rather, it's simple minded and short sighted to say "The Chiefs are 10-1 and will repeat as Super Bowl champions, zero criticism of the team is allowed." Hell, I'm not even criticizing them. They've done as well as can be expected on the OL considering what they've invested.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-02-2020, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

How am I obsessed?

Countless posts about the linebacker and corner group as well as the lack of high draft picks along the offensive line.

You and others need to face the fact that Andy Reid and his entire staff, from Mark Donovan to Brett Veach on down, do not value offensive lineman, cornerbacks and linebackers as other teams in the league, whether it's past Chiefs teams or the other 31 teams in the league.

That's been clear from the onset and yet you and so many others live in the past. I was the only person in March & April stating that the Chiefs needed to draft a RB early and was told by nearly everyone that Center or Guard was the priority, which of course, was not the priority.

You and the others that think like you are going to be miserable until you realize that the personnel that you believe to have high value to this team and require high draft picks to compete are not anywhere near as valuable to this regime as you believe.

Chris Meck · 12-02-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is completely irrelevant.

If Mahomes didn't have such amazing pocket awareness, Andy's scheme would be very different.

Reid tailors his offense to his offensive weapons and QB, which we've seen time and time again since he arrived in 2013. The 2014 offense with Alex Smith was completely different than the 2017 offense with Alex Smith because that year, the Chiefs had a seasoned Kelce, a 2nd year receiver in Hill, an amazing complimentary running back in Kareem Hunt and so on.

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether or not the offensive line is filled with five 1st round draft choices or a mixture of UDFA's and draftees - Andy Reid will design an offense that's best suited to his personnel.

I totally get that. I'm just not comfortable with all the hits Mahomes was taking this week, for example. Yeah, we were still successful, but at some point, those hits take a toll.

So I'd like to get better on the interior line in particular is all I'm saying. I don't like Suh pummeling Patrick, and in the long-term view, the fact that the offense was still successful in spite of that is secondary. We're probably entirely good enough to win the SB as is, but I'm concerned about the long term health of the golden goose.

Financially speaking, that probably means drafting upgrades.

I'm not saying it has to be first rounders. I think Niang is promising, and a redshirt year is probably good for him health-wise. I think 3rd and 4th rounds are good places to find quality offensive line prospects.

I'd just like to see some guys that might be upgrades sooner than later, and UDFA usually take a while to be ready to play, if ever.

RunKC · 12-02-2020, 01:10 PM

I’ve been surprised by Remmers. He’s done a quality job at RT, though Andy has used the Alex Smith quick play playbook to help them out.

Either way, I think we need to have a full medical look at Schwartz and if he’s not in a good place then Remmers becomes priority numero uno this offseason.

Chris Meck · 12-02-2020, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mkp785

Yeah. It'd be nice if he was actually playing so we could evaluate him. Is he gonna stay a tackle or moving inside when he decides to play I wonder?

Niang was coming off a major injury. It's unlikely he'd have been 100% this season anyway. My conspiracy theory is that Veach and Reid might have encouraged him to take the red-shirt year and get healthy. I'm sure they're monitoring his progress and have him on a workout regimen.

Niang has a OT build for sure. When you look at him and watch him move, he looks like Willie Roaf.

Now I personally think Roaf was the best offensive tackle I ever saw play the game, and I'm not saying Niang=Roaf. I'm just saying he's physically similar. I would imagine that plan is that he could eventually be a plus player outside. I have no doubt he could be a plus player inside even sooner.

ModSocks · 12-02-2020, 01:16 PM

Again, OL to Reid are like RB's to Shanahan.

htismaqe · 12-02-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mkp785

Yeah. It'd be nice if he was actually playing so we could evaluate him. Is he gonna stay a tackle or moving inside when he decides to play I wonder?

He wasn't going to be a tackle to begin with.

Veach said they were going to start him inside at guard and see where it went from there.

I assume he would eventually move to tackle but the plan was to start him at IOL.

OKchiefs · 12-02-2020, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Countless posts about the linebacker and corner group as well as the lack of high draft picks along the offensive line.

You and others need to face the fact that Andy Reid and his entire staff, from Mark Donovan to Brett Veach on down, do not value offensive lineman, cornerbacks and linebackers as other teams in the league, whether it's past Chiefs teams or the other 31 teams in the league.

That's been clear from the onset and yet you and so many others live in the past. I was the only person in March & April stating that the Chiefs needed to draft a RB early and was told by nearly everyone that Center or Guard was the priority, which of course, was not the priority.

You and the others that think like you are going to be miserable until you realize that the personnel that you believe to have high value to this team and require high draft picks to compete are not anywhere near as valuable to this regime as you believe.

I was right there with you at RB. It wasn't my first choice, but I understood the thought process and I like the pick for the most part.

I've also admitted that I was wrong at cornerback, but even then that formula won't necessarily work forever and there still could be a time where they strike out with the picks later in the draft and have to invest a higher pick.

They spent a decent chunk of change on Hitchens, and they just spent a 2nd on Gay. I'm not sure I would agree that they don't value the position, what I do question is their scouting and talent evaluation there.

KC drafted Mitch Morse in the 2nd and now Lucas Niang in the 3rd, plus they were apparently considering Ruiz in the 1st. So I'd also disagree with the notion that they don't value the position. I agree they don't place as much of a premium on the IOL, which is why I am not suggesting they take an OL with a 1st or 2nd. I personally think the ideal spot is in rounds 3 or 4 with some of our extra picks, which is still more than they've invested at the position prior to Niang in quite some time.

You also have to understand that the same formula will not necessarily work year in and year out. At some point the weapons in the passing game simply won't be as good as they are now, because the chances of finding another Hill AND Kelce are slim. Maybe they address that with a stronger OL and run game. Maybe we go through a short period where the offense falls off a bit and the defense has to step up.

I don't prescribe to this notion that past results and trends will always be indicative of future results and trends. Things change quickly.

If Reid and Veach don't take an OL in the draft early on I'm not going to throw a hissy fit, even if I disagree. But with likely 6 picks through the end of round 4, if I were a betting man (which I'm not) I would bet that one of those 6 picks will be an OL. I would still like to see a DE, WR, and maybe CB/S taken before, if it falls that way, but I'd also like to see them stick to BPA. If the BPA in round 1 is OL, fine. If it's not until round 5, so be it.

Megatron96 · 12-02-2020, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He wasn't going to be a tackle to begin with.

Veach said they were going to start him inside at guard and see where it went from there.

I assume he would eventually move to tackle but the plan was to start him at IOL.

Pretty sure this is Andy's SOP for the most part. Same thing with not wanting to start rookies. Not an absolute rule for him, but he seems to be more comfortable starting vets over rookies. Not gonna argue with success.

And Andy seems to always find a way to get the most out of the OL regardless of who's playing. We should all be pretty thankful about that. A lot of teams would've folded having to rearrange the OL the way he has the last couple seasons.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2020, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, I want to be really clear-

We're a defending Super Bowl Champion team that looks like a good bet to run it back.

Any and all weaknesses should be taken with a grain of salt.

BUT-

Mahomes' pocket awareness makes things look better than they are.

Wylie and Reiter are below average. Both are pretty damned lousy as run blockers, and real mediocre as pass blockers.

As we have the best player the game has maybe ever seen, I think investing some serious draft capital in keeping him healthy is really important going forward.

Yeah, we're probably good enough to win it again. My concern is that Patrick stay healthy.

Wylie is a better run-blocker than pass-blocker.

ModSocks · 12-02-2020, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

P Same thing with not wanting to start rookies.

IDK what you're talking about with that one.

htismaqe · 12-02-2020, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

If Reid and Veach don't take an OL in the draft early on I'm not going to throw a hissy fit, even if I disagree. But with likely 6 picks through the end of round 4, if I were a betting man (which I'm not) I would bet that one of those 6 picks will be an OL. I would still like to see a DE, WR, and maybe CB/S taken before, if it falls that way, but I'd also like to see them stick to BPA. If the BPA in round 1 is OL, fine. If it's not until round 5, so be it.

This is fair.

I think given our financial situation, the high draft picks have to go towards premium (in terms of pay) positions - OT, DE, CB, WR, etc. You have to hit on as many as possible because we simply won't be able to afford Frank Clark's or Tyrann Matthieu's going forward.

LB and IOL are often cheap in free agency and you can often get by with middle rounders as well.

htismaqe · 12-02-2020, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Pretty sure this is Andy's SOP for the most part. Same thing with not wanting to start rookies. Not an absolute rule for him, but he seems to be more comfortable starting vets over rookies. Not gonna argue with success.

And Andy seems to always find a way to get the most out of the OL regardless of who's playing. We should all be pretty thankful about that. A lot of teams would've folded having to rearrange the OL the way he has the last couple seasons.

This cannot be understated.

We've had a ton of injuries on the o-line this year. More than most teams. Just look at the Eagles for example. They've been battling o-line injuries and they broke Wentz. Complete turmoil.

Given the circumstances I'd say the coaching staff has done a damn good job.

mkp785 · 12-02-2020, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He wasn't going to be a tackle to begin with.

Veach said they were going to start him inside at guard and see where it went from there.

I assume he would eventually move to tackle but the plan was to start him at IOL.

That's kind of what I remember too. I thought they were looking at him at LG since we had the Dr. on the other side. Hopefully LDT comes back next year and we can fully reload with significantly improved guards without having to use many picks this off-season there.

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