***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[cdcox]

"Until medical community tells us otherwise"

That would be Tuesday.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Interesting

NFL still expects a full audience in 2020. pic.twitter.com/ivAS5bOqJJ

— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) May 24, 2020

Hopefully they can at least get the home opener in before that second wave hits. I’ll gladly sign up for the experiment if they want us to since we’re the first game. Check everyone’s temperature before the game. I’ll even quarantine for 14 days after the game just to make sure it’s not spread anymore. The older I get I feel like I need that many days to recover from a night of partying anyways.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Interesting

NFL still expects a full audience in 2020. pic.twitter.com/ivAS5bOqJJ

— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) May 24, 2020

Even in Jacksonville? Really?..

[BossChief]

I’m gonna be sad if I can’t see them hang the banner, but I’ll understand. I’ve got 2g set aside to go.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I’m gonna be sad if I can’t see them hang the banner, but I’ll understand. I’ve got 2g set aside to go.

You know tickets have been on sale for awhile right? Just call the chiefs ticket office. They waive the service fees you see on ticketmaster and if the game isn’t played you get that 2g back. Just so you know that 2g isn’t going to get you as many tickets in the section you were probably thinking of if you haven’t checked pricing lately. I bought 8 tickets in the upper deck for a little over 1,800

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Not as much as I go by what I see in real life. My gym memberships are up 25% since the day before the shutdown. The traffic is the same as it always was. For most under 50 it's business as usual. Look at what everyone else is
saying they are seeing as well.

Our local Menards Sat and Sun sales are matching black Friday sales numbers....but muh poll!

Wait wait wait.... you mean to tell me the virus is SPURRING the economy?

[Demonpenz]

Hooo Boy. We are going back on lockdown.

[philfree]

Early this past week the doorbell rang so I answered the door. It was a door to door solicitor pushing home security. After I told him I wasn't interested and good luck he just kept talking. I had to tell him several times before he left. What a dumb ****. We had boxes on the porch that had been delivered and he just stood there talking all over them. He could have been spewing covid droplets all over them and me. After he left my thought was that I should get in my truck and go run him over. Of course I didn't but if I did it would have been recorded as another death do to Covid 19.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Wait wait wait.... you mean to tell me the virus is SPURRING the economy?

Another classic BWillie hot take

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Even if we only avg 700 deaths a day until 2021, thats 140k or so plus the 100k+ we already have. Is 240k deaths an acceptable result? Depends on ones opinion.

I wish people wouldn't use the term "acceptable" because its really just a baited word.It's a word looking for an argument.

None of this shit is acceptable, the deaths or the economic impact. Thats why China needs to be held accountable Globally.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I wish people wouldn't use the term "acceptable" because its really just a baited word.It's a word looking for an argument.

None of this shit is acceptable, the deaths or the economic impact. Thats why China needs to be held accountable Globally.

Just bomb the **** out of china

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

We were in a decline but aren’t any longer. Their new fancy dashboard shows up 7% over the last week

The projections are showing infections actually going down and the actuals are running well below the projections by a factor of almost 10.

Or let me put it this way. The actual daily new infections number is actually today where the projections have it in later June.

[petegz28]

Missouri changes reporting of COVID-19 testing data and positivity rate
The Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services said Saturday that it is changing how COVID-19 testing data is reported and how positivity rates are calculated.

In a release, Dr. Randall Williams, director of DHSS said, “As we continue to learn more about this virus and new tests emerge, we will continue providing better data with greater clarity and transparency to help Missourians make the best decisions for their health care possible.”

The release said that while DHSS staff have "been following reporting guidelines as requested from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), both retrospectively and going forward, Missouri is segregating different testing data types to provide the best available information to citizens. These are reflected in the current dashboard.

The release outlined the following changes in the data:

A change in the percent positivity rate. The percent positivity rate was previously calculated as the number of positive COVID-19 cases divided by the total number of tests completed. The new calculation is the number of positive cases divided by the number of people tested (not the number of tests done). These changes will increase the rate of positive cases as reported through the dashboard. This is because each positive individual may have multiple tests done, increasing the size of the denominator (the number of tests) but not the numerator (number of confirmed COVID-19 cases). The previously-reported rate cannot be compared to the current rate.

The tests performed by day will include PCR tests only, which indicates only if a person has an active COVID-19 case. Numbers will have decreased from previous days’ reporting because DHSS is no longer including people who received only serology tests in this graph.
Given the marked increase in serology testing, DHSS is now reporting separate information on serology which is collected through a blood test to determine if a person has previously been infected and has formed antibodies against the virus.

In a statement sent to KMBC 9, Dr. Williams commented on the change in data reporting, saying, “As a 30-year clinician, and like many fellow clinicians nationally, I was very concerned that the CDC had specifically advised our staff and those among other states to combine these results. I believe that the CDC clearly knows these represent two very distinct clinical entities. I understand our team did what the CDC required them to do and did not maintain one set of data for the CDC and one set for public reporting. Until very recently, about the second week of May, the number of serological tests coming in was small enough that it did not substantially or noticeably impact our numbers. Upon me and our leadership as well as those from our state public health laboratory discovering the combined data set, we immediately corrected the way we report this information to the public and will continue to report it this way, as our leadership originally intended.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

To be clear, you are hoping the city puts a business out of business without said business breaking any rules?

I don't want the city to put them out of business but the first rule has always been don't show up to work if you are showing symptoms and she should have been sent home immediately. They are now saying another hair stylist there had mild symptoms that tested positive and exposed more people.

At least though they were wearing face masks and kept good contact tracing records.

People just need to be super vigilant in these type of businesses and the original person must have had bad enough symptoms to go get a test.

The company I work for is in the health care biz with offices all across the state of MO and we haven't had one case yet. From the get go the company policy was you can't show up with any symptoms and if you are caught on premise with symptoms it is grounds for termination.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't want the city to put them out of business but the first rule has always been don't show up to work if you are showing symptoms and she should have been sent home immediately. They are now saying another hair stylist there had mild symptoms that tested positive and exposed more people.

At least though they were wearing face masks and kept good contact tracing records.

People just need to be super vigilant in these type of businesses and the original person must have had bad enough symptoms to go get a test.

The company I work for is in the health care biz with offices all across the state of MO and we haven't had one case yet. From the get go the company policy was you can't show up with any symptoms and if you are caught on premise with symptoms it is grounds for termination.

I agree it was stupid for the person to show up if they were symptomatic. Now, define symptomatic because in this case we don't know what it is, right? Was it symptoms easily confused with allergies during a bad allergy season? Was she running a fever? Coughing?