2014 NFL Combine - Players - The WRs

[saphojunkie]

Damn, Landry has some big ass hands.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Damn, Landry has some big ass hands.

Too bad he is so slow though. He could be as good as Boldin is though, he makes some insane catches.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Too bad he is so slow though. He could be as good as Boldin is though, he makes some insane catches.

Beckham in the first, landry in the third. All LSU, all the time.

[RunKC]

I'm on board with Sac. Odell Beckham is an incredible talent

[planetdoc]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...d-b286b23bbb55

Ferrin: What is your overall evaluation of the entire 2014 NFL Draft Class?

Dorsey: "It’s another sign of the times, larger receivers, who will display the unique ability to have size and speed to play this game. We’ve always believed that size matters and I think this class is no different from the classes of the last couple years."

Based on the 2013 draft, Dorsey draft combine workout warriors. If he is to be believed, than he will be interested in tall (6'+) wrs who had a good workout (i.e. speed). Here are the guys who meet that criteria:

1. Sammy Watkins 6-0.5, 211 4.43
2. Mike Evans 6-4.5, 231 4.53
3. Jordan Matthews 6-3, 212 4.46
4. Paul Richardson 6-0, 175 4.40
5. Martavis Bryant 6-3.5, 211 4.42
6. Donte Moncrief 6-2, 221 4.40
7. Mike Davis 6-0, 197 4.45
8. Jared Abrederis 6-1, 195 4.50
9. Kevin Norwood 6-2, 198 4.48
10. Jeff Janis 6-2.5, 219 4.42
11. Quincy Enunwa 6-2, 225 4.45
12. L'Damian Washington 6-3.5, 195 4.46
13. Shaq Evans 6-1, 213 4.51
14. Matt Hazel 6-1, 198 4.50
15. Derel Walker 6-2, 185 4.50

[Frosty]

Was Dorsey part of the decision to draft Randall Cobb? Cobb is almost the exact same size as Brandin Cooks.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Was Dorsey part of the decision to draft Randall Cobb? Cobb is almost the exact same size as Brandin Cooks.

great point. Cobb was drafted in 2011, and at that time Dorsey was director of College scouting for Green Bay.

I would think he was part of the decision, but I dont know how much of a final say he had. On his wiki page, Dorsey is credited with drafting Greg Jennings who is also 5'11''.

Guess we will have to see how it plays out and what Dorsey seems to consider "tall."

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

great point. Cobb was drafted in 2011, and at that time Dorsey was director of College scouting for Green Bay.

I would think he was part of the decision, but I dont know how much of a final say he had. On his wiki page, Dorsey is credited with drafting Greg Jennings who is also 5'11''.

I might have to adjust my criteria to at least 5'11 instead of at least 6'

Of course, they also have the 6'3" Nelson and 6'1" Jones. Then you look at the WRs that he brought into KC in Avery and Jenkins and now the CFL guy. There doesn't seem to be a pattern with size. He does seem to like speed guys.

[planetdoc]

Jenkins was trading 1 bust for another. Face saving move for both franchises.

CFL guy was cheap (likely replacement for McCluster)

Avery was the need for speed after 2012 wrs were exposed for being slow. Chiefs didnt break the bank for him.

We will have to wait and see if Dorsey's Wr philosophy is the same as his CB philosophy.

[Frosty]

The trade was trading speed for size. The Chiefs didn't need to save face because Dorsey and Reid didn't draft Baldwin. He just didn't fit, so they got what they could for him.

[planetdoc]

I'm not even sure if they thought he didnt "fit."

It might have been that they didnt think he was a good enough football player, and that thought process seems to be validated based on how little he produced in SF.

[Frosty]

BTW, planetdoc, I appreciate what you are saying here but I have serious doubts that Dorsey is just going to draft someone he likes with no input from Reid and what would fit in Reid's system. The Eagles were drafting guys like Maclin and Jackson and GB has a guy like Cobb who would fit into that system. If they go WR, I think it will be someone along those lines and not some tall possession WR.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I have serious doubts that Dorsey is just going to draft someone he likes with no input from Reid and what would fit in Reid's system.

Oh, I agree with you. Whenever they talk they say they have a shared philosophy. I think we can both agree what that philosophy is in regards to cornerbacks. I suspect that philosophy is the same for WR, but not sure.

[The Franchise]

It's more of a size to speed ratio....not just tall guys who are fast.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

It's more of a size to speed ratio....not just tall guys who are fast.

you make a good point. I think your correct.

There is an NFL Insider article (dont have access) talking about a size/speed formula.

Someone else created a Height Adjusted Speed Score (HASS), but I havent seen the formula.

This is the most detailed study I have found looking analyzing 816 wide receivers.

in that study, the author used an Explosive Power ratio

a metric comprised of a player’s height, weight, vertical jump and broad jump. It attempts to quantify how much power and explosion a player can physically generate in his play.

along with other filters such as Speed Score, 3-cone time, and production.

Nice to look at, but dont think its all that accurate.