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Old 09-30-2022, 08:30 AM  
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Have NFL defenses fully adjusted to the RPO?
Elements of this discussion are popping up in other threads, so let's discuss it in its own thread?

My opinion :

NFL defenses have caught up with the RPO.

Time for Patrick to really hone his pre-snap reads and start actually going through progressions based on those reads as opposed to reading the safety to determine man or zone and then doing everything else based on what the defense presents once the ball is snapped.

They know what we're doing and have adjusted.

Will Reid toss Bieniemy and go back to his WCO roots and press Mahomes to be even greater?

Or are we looking at another McCarthy-Rogers situation?
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:38 AM   #2
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I hate the RPO.. Takes too long to develop and we can’t run for shit when we do it. Just let Patrick do his thing and run normal run plays..
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:43 AM   #3
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**** outside zone.

Sorry wrong thread.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:43 AM   #4
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Part of Patrick's "thing" is the RPO, unfortunately.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:43 AM   #5
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RPO doesn't work without the run.

Wish we had Jamaal Charles.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:44 AM   #6
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Part of Patrick's "thing" is the RPO, unfortunately.
I didn't watch him at Texas Tech. Did they use the RPO?
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I hate the RPO.. Takes too long to develop and we can’t run for shit when we do it. Just let Patrick do his thing and run normal run plays..
Plus, this Oline is waaaay more suited to short/intermediate routes and power running, like ISO/Power O, stuff like that.

Not to mention going pro-set/I formation with 22 and 12 personnel would get Hardman off the ****ing field...

AND defenses are so keyed on stopping the deep pass off the RPO, they're susceptible to being gashed by a power running game...and cover 2/cover 3 have always been susceptible to giving up chunks to the TE on seam and wheel routes (Kelce and Fortson in the 12 group!?)

If Andy Reid is just letting Eric Bieniemy "run" this offense, it shows. It's lazy and predictable and they've been running all the same shit they lost the Super Bowl with, and that shows, too.

"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down.

"Innovative."
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:46 AM   #8
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Defenses are certainly catching up to the RPO and college style spread offense. Nothing new, these things always ebb & flow back and forth.

As someone said earlier, the RPO is a heck of a lot more effective, when you present a decent running game.
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**** outside zone.

Sorry wrong thread.
Nah, this is the right thread for that, too.

The line and CEH/MEH are better suited for ISO and power running.

**** outside zone, indeed.
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Defenses are certainly catching up to the RPO and college style spread offense. Nothing new, these things always ebb & flow back and forth.
Why hasn't pur amazing coaching staff with our offensive genius head coach who is an innovator adjusted to this obviousness yet?
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As someone said earlier, the RPO is a heck of a lot more effective, when you present a decent running game.
We had over 100 yards rushing in the first half of the AFC Championship Game with a 5ypc/avg and an 18 point lead.

The Bengals were constantly dropping 7 AND 8 DEEP in the pre-snap defense formation, 3 man fronts, DARING Reid and Bieniemy to run the ball...

And they don't.

For whatever reason.

Now...understanding that we will never, ever present a "decent" running game without even a fleeting commitment to running the ball with a 3 score lead and 3 man defensive front...is your point that Reid will never present a "decent running game" and therefore, should probably quit pretending that RPO is going to go back to 2018 and put 50 TDs on the board via the air again?

Because it's not happening.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:53 AM   #12
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Plus, this Oline is waaaay more suited to short/intermediate routes and power running, like ISO/Power O, stuff like that.

Not to mention going pro-set/I formation with 22 and 12 personnel would get Hardman off the ****ing field...

AND defenses are so keyed on stopping the deep pass off the RPO, they're susceptible to being gashed by a power running game...and cover 2/cover 3 have always been susceptible to giving up chunks to the TE on seam and wheel routes (Kelce and Fortson in the 12 group!?)

If Andy Reid is just letting Eric Bieniemy "run" this offense, it shows. It's lazy and predictable and they've been running all the same shit they lost the Super Bowl with, and that shows, too.

"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down.

"Innovative."
If Reid truly is letting Bienemy run the show, that’s depressing and aggravating. I’d be really pissed if they’re contractually obligated to let that clown call plays.

He comes off well in interviews but he’s clearly a stubborn douche who does nothing to improve the team and may be holding them back.
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"RPO. Oh. Defense is keyed pass...here's a delayed handoff out of the shotgun 7 yards behind a run blocking line thinking they're blocking a pass that got changed to a run. Handing the ball to a MEH rb who gets exactly 1 yard on 2nd down."
This is the one big problem with the RPO. It really puts stress on the line.
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This is the one big problem with the RPO. It really puts stress on the line.
And if defenses know you WON'T commit to the run, they can just lay back and try to make the Chiefs be the cohesive, efficient offense that they're obviously not capable of being right now.

The reason I say that they're "obviously not capable" of doing that is because if they were capable of doing that, you'd think they would.

Whether it be Patrick being stuck on the RPO or the coaching staff getting lazy and complacent, something has to give.
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Elements of this discussion are popping up in other threads, so let's discuss it in its own thread?

My opinion :

NFL defenses have caught up with the RPO.

Time for Patrick to really hone his pre-snap reads and start actually going through progressions based on those reads as opposed to reading the safety to determine man or zone and then doing everything else based on what the defense presents once the ball is snapped.

They know what we're doing and have adjusted.

Will Reid toss Bieniemy and go back to his WCO roots and press Mahomes to be even greater?

Or are we looking at another McCarthy-Rogers situation?
It's all rigged, right? What the difference?
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