***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Bullshit!

Information about the FDA chief and what he has to say about treatment is blatant politics?

Yes Stumpy this is purely political. Its semantics.

“What I should have said better is that the data show a relative risk reduction not an absolute risk reduction.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Bullshit!

Information about the FDA chief and what he has to say about treatment is blatant politics?

Not your post.

The pushing to down play tbe treatment.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yes Stumpy this is purely political. Its semantics.

The fact that you don't even understand the difference between "relative" and "absolute" shows you continue to live up the the Marclueless name.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Daily new case 7 day average is at June 30th levels, daily deaths are dropping not peaking, it appears we are on the backside of the second spike. Mortality rate continues to drop steadily looking at daily new case averages vs deaths over the last month.

But of course the usual suspects will be in to claim everything will certainly go to hell soon because schools are opening and the fall spike is coming even though they also claim Covid has no seasonality.

What appears to be happening is the virus is running its course while being slowed by mitigation. We also clearly have better treatments available.

I think it is excellent news cases and deaths are going down and I believe we are going to have a lull like in the spring but when the weather gets colder cases will go back up again. This is because I don't believe the virus has seasonality, but we humans do. Nicer weather (spring, fall) people are outdoors more, shitter weather (super hot, super cold) people go huddle indoors.

It is all about being indoors with a group of people that makes this virus spread easily. That is why for example a number of college campuses now have large outbreaks.

[stumppy]

The FDA chief was just on national news explaining what he said.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by stumppy

The FDA chief was just on national news explaining what he said.

I don't think what you posted was political. He owned his mistake which is good.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by stumppy

The fact that you don't even understand the difference between "relative" and "absolute" shows you continue to live up the the Marclueless name.

I understand the difference asshat. I also understand whats going on here which you never seem to understand whats going on anywhere on any topic at anytime.

So here we see they were accused of being political by authorizing the use which they denied. Then he backtracks on what he said after being criticized but thats not political either?

You are behind the curve as usual.

"Media coverage of FDA’s decision to issue emergency authorization for convalescent plasma has questioned whether this was a politically motivated decision. The decision was made by FDA career scientists based on data submitted a few weeks ago," Hahn said in a lengthy Twitter post.

The FDA's decision to issue an emergency use authorization came after Trump launched extraordinary attacks on the agency, accusing scientists of being part of the "deep state" and slow-walking treatments. It has led to concerns the decision was politically motivated.

Hahn on Monday denied that.

"We at FDA do not permit politics to enter into our scientific decisions. This happens to be a political season but FDA will remain data driven. On behalf of FDA's 18,000 career employees, I want to reassure the American public about this commitment," Hahn said.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its semantics.

“What I should have said better is that the data show a relative risk reduction not an absolute risk reduction.”

No, it isn't. Good lord.

[Donger]

I think everyone has been, and still is, all for the use of convalescent plasma. Did I miss something where it is now not?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think it is excellent news cases and deaths are going down and I believe we are going to have a lull like in the spring but when the weather gets colder cases will go back up again. This is because I don't believe the virus has seasonality, but we humans do. Nicer weather (spring, fall) people are outdoors more, shitter weather (super hot, super cold) people go huddle indoors.

It is all about being indoors with a group of people that makes this virus spread easily. That is why for example a number of college campuses now have large outbreaks.

Schools here have large outbreaks too.

1 teacher tested positive and now 18 teachers are quarantining and refusing to return to work.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Schools here have large outbreaks too.

1 teacher tested positive and now 18 teachers are quarantining and refusing to return to work.

That's not an outbreak. They were tested for screening correct?

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Excellent read about our potential immunity options with Covid.

This is an incredible article that answers so many questions I had about immunity and transmission. Thanks.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think it is excellent news cases and deaths are going down and I believe we are going to have a lull like in the spring but when the weather gets colder cases will go back up again. This is because I don't believe the virus has seasonality, but we humans do. Nicer weather (spring, fall) people are outdoors more, shitter weather (super hot, super cold) people go huddle indoors.

It is all about being indoors with a group of people that makes this virus spread easily. That is why for example a number of college campuses now have large outbreaks.

Who has even been back to school long enough to have a school related outbreak?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That's not an outbreak. They were tested for screening correct?

I was being tongue in cheek.

Two area school districts have had a grand total of 6 positive tests between them. They have over 100 faculty and staff refusing to work because of it.

And the news is covering it like 6 tests is the end of the freaking world. Close the schools! Armageddon is nigh!

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I was being tongue in cheek.

Two area school districts have had a grand total of 6 positive tests between them. They have over 100 faculty and staff refusing to work because of it.

And the news is covering it like 6 tests is the end of the freaking world. Close the schools! Armageddon is nigh!

I saw where Mizzou had .4% of their students test positive during screening and people freaked out.