Chiefs Official discussion thread on Andy’s late game conservative play calling

**BigRedChief** · 11-19-2019, 12:12 AM

It’s a continuing thing from Philly. Why can’t he learn or change?

I and the Chief fans I was with were so pissed off at Andy being conservative again at the end of the game. 2 and 6. You get the 1st down. That’s it, game over. I would be trusting Mahomes to get 6 yards in two tries over trusting our defense.

Almost burned us again just last week. Came close to blowing a another game with conservative play calling.

Come on Andy, your a HOF coach but it’s time to rethink this late game conservative strategy. Trust in Mahomes to get it done.

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 12:20 AM

Only problem is OL and execution, not Andy

Mahomes overthrew Shady, Mahomes had one ball tipped, Andy called a regular-ass pass play on another snap, receiver was covered, OL gave up the sack.

You are conveniently ignoring the plays that were drawn up on those two drives that DID get first downs.

At some point you have to credit the Chargers pass rush and our own OL's inability to block forcing Andy to call short passes or hand the ball off trying to burn clock and protect the ball.

tooge · 11-19-2019, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Only problem is OL and execution, not Andy

Mahomes overthrew Shady, Mahomes had one ball tipped, Andy called a regular-ass pass play on another snap, receiver was covered, OL gave up the sack.

You are conveniently ignoring the plays that were drawn up on those two drives that DID get first downs.

At some point you have to credit the Chargers pass rush and our own OL's inability to block forcing Andy to call short passes or hand the ball off trying to burn clock and protect the ball.

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mnchiefsguy · 11-19-2019, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Only problem is OL and execution, not Andy

Mahomes overthrew Shady, Mahomes had one ball tipped, Andy called a regular-ass pass play on another snap, receiver was covered, OL gave up the sack.

You are conveniently ignoring the plays that were drawn up on those two drives that DID get first downs.

At some point you have to credit the Chargers pass rush and our own OL's inability to block forcing Andy to call short passes or hand the ball off trying to burn clock and protect the ball.

Gotta agree with this. Pat hits either one of those passes and we are not having this conversation.

While it is disappointing that the offense failed to execute....you have to tip your hat to the defense....stopped Phyllis and company on 4 straight drives to end the game and they held the lead.

**BigRedChief** · 11-19-2019, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Only problem is OL and execution, not Andy

Mahomes overthrew Shady, Mahomes had one ball tipped, Andy called a regular-ass pass play on another snap, receiver was covered, OL gave up the sack.

You are conveniently ignoring the plays that were drawn up on those two drives that DID get first downs.

At some point you have to credit the Chargers pass rush and our own OL's inability to block forcing Andy to call short passes or hand the ball off trying to burn clock and protect the ball.

and your ignoring years of the same pattern. 20 years of history.

It wasn’t just that one series in the opening post. His last 3 offensive series calls were conservative. We lost a game last week we had won because of conservative play calling. He promised to do a better job of coaching. We lost an exact game like this against the Chargers in Arrowhead last year. Same scenerio. Just keeps happening.

I’m only bashing this part of Andy’s coaching game. I think he’s the 2nd best coach in the NFL. I’m damn glad he’s our coach. I’ll also be forever grateful for the coaching up of Mahones too.

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It wasn’t just that one series in the opening post. His last 3 offensive series calls were conservative.

This isn't true.

Otherwise, Mahomes would not have dropped back to pass, found no one open, and run for first downs because Andy's receivers cleared out the underneath.

Get a clue.

**BigRedChief** · 11-19-2019, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

This isn't true.

Otherwise, Mahomes would not have dropped back to pass, found no one open, and run for first downs because Andy's receivers cleared out the underneath.

Get a clue.

my opinion is not an isolated one in some far corner of Chiefs nation. The vast majority of Chief fans think Reid’s too conservative with a lead late in games.

Same opinion in Philly all those years.

And it’s not isolated to just fans either. Those who study the game, know the X’s And O’s also agree its Andy’s weakest part of his coaching game.

BryanBusby · 11-19-2019, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

my opinion is not an isolated one in some far corner of Chiefs nation. The vast majority of Chief fans think Reid’s too conservative with a lead late in games.

Same opinion in Philly all those years.

And it’s not isolated to just fans either. Those who study the game, know the X’s And O’s also agree its Andy’s weakest part of his coaching game.

The problem with that (and I'm not saying that the saying is wrong) is that it's used as an excuse so much that it's a lazy go to response instead of actually wondering if that were the case.

A lot of times, yes it is. Tonight was one of those instances where he called an alright game. People want to rip the conservative nature, but sometimes it's not a bad idea.

It wasn't like Rivers was having an all star performance.

**cdcox** · 11-19-2019, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

This isn't true.

Otherwise, Mahomes would not have dropped back to pass, found no one open, and run for first downs because Andy's receivers cleared out the underneath.

Get a clue.

1) At least these plays allowed MVP to improvise. Designed swing/screen puts it all on an average back, instead of MVP.
2) Patrick improvising = good. Give him 3 chances as opposed to 1 in a desperate situation. The kid is a pure competitor. He finds a way.

Hammock Parties · 11-19-2019, 01:14 AM

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1) At least these plays allowed MVP to improvise. Designed swing/screen puts it all on an average back, instead of MVP.

2) Patrick improvising = good. Give him 3 chances as opposed to 1 in a desperate situation. The kid is a pure competitor. He finds a way.

Those weren't designed swing passes. The back was open because of the route combo. A different defense, with a defender in the flat, he's not open.

Mahomes has to execute the throw. Not on Andy.

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How about just running a pass play designed for Kelce over the middle.

You do realize they called a pass play to Kelce on the last offensive snap...no?

You can't go to that well every time.

I get bitching about Andy last week. I was.

This wasn't a repeat. This was poor execution by the OL and Mahomes.

**cdcox** · 11-19-2019, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I’m only bashing this part of Andy’s coaching game. I think he’s the 2nd best coach in the NFL. I’m damn glad he’s our coach.

It is infuriating that he can be so brilliant at certain times and so mud headed at others. He needs a wisperer.

Ron Swanson · 11-19-2019, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Only problem is OL and execution, not Andy

Mahomes overthrew Shady, Mahomes had one ball tipped, Andy called a regular-ass pass play on another snap, receiver was covered, OL gave up the sack.

You are conveniently ignoring the plays that were drawn up on those two drives that DID get first downs.

At some point you have to credit the Chargers pass rush and our own OL's inability to block forcing Andy to call short passes or hand the ball off trying to burn clock and protect the ball.

Maybe call a play where the throw goes past the line of scrimmage, or gasp, past the 1st down marker.

lawrenceRaider · 11-19-2019, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Only problem is OL and execution, not Andy.

Only partially true. Andy tends to get real conservative at the end of games when he has any kind of lead. That's just who he's always been. Not a big issue really though.

The Chiefs OL is a real problem. Even with everyone healthy, it's a bottom 10 or so OL.

That's insulting for a QB like Mahomes. Chiefs owe it to Mahomes and to the Fans to protect Mahomes with the best OL the Chiefs can afford.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-19-2019, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It’s a continuing thing from Philly. Why can’t he learn or change?

I and the Chief fans I was with were so pissed off at Andy being conservative again at the end of the game. 2 and 6. You get the 1st down. That’s it, game over. I would be trusting Mahomes to get 6 yards in two tries over trusting our defense.

Almost burned us again just last week. Came close to blowing a another game with conservative play calling.

Come on Andy, your a HOF coach but it’s time to rethink this late game conservative strategy. Trust in Mahomes to get it done.

What would you have called differently?

**BigRedChief** · 11-19-2019, 12:41 AM

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What would you have called differently?

Andy probably has 100 plays that’s designed to get 6+ yards. Call a couple of them.

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