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Old 02-03-2019, 09:16 PM  
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When has Brady not been bailed out by Bill's defense?
When? Had he ever not had a defense cover up for his inability to get td's?
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Old 02-04-2019, 12:33 PM   #61
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ASS11 could win SB’s there.


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Old 02-04-2019, 12:34 PM   #62
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Despite what we keep hearing about this being a passing league the top defenses seem to come thru down the stretch
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:16 PM   #63
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Forget this game and this season. Neither Brady nor the D was that good this year. Belichick made this dynasty go, not Brady. Give me a young BB or TB, and I take BB without a thought. It's not enough a tough decision.
The Patriots were the better team the years they lost to the Giants twice and the Eagles. It happens. The team with the better season doesn't always win the SB. In fact the Giants snapped the Patriot's perfect season away in SB XL11. Here, both the Rams and the Chiefs were the better team but didn't win the right game. Frankly, I think you're better off losing the Championship and not getting to the SB, because most QBs, the exception being Elway, don't get back to a SB again. Not saying it can't happen, but it's more the exception and not the rule with the exception proving the rule.

I also think it's a dubious claim to say Belichick made this dynasty and it had nothing to do with Brady. Just look at BB's record before he teamed up with Brady. It wasn't good. In fact he was fired from the Cleveland Browns for his losing record. Bledsoe didn't win a SB under BB either. I more arguable claim would be that Brady made BB. Just because he played one lousy SB game doesn't change that.

How 'bout making a case based on some facts.
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:18 PM   #64
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Despite what we keep hearing about this being a passing league the top defenses seem to come thru down the stretch
The Chiefs scored 31 points in the second half vs. the Pats...
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:31 PM   #65
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How many Titles would Brady have won in his career without Belichick?
You need to reverse your question. Tell me how well BB did before he teamed up with Brady?
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:33 PM   #66
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The Chiefs scored 31 points in the second half vs. the Pats...
Most Patriot's SB wins were by 3 points, one at 4 points with what happened against the Falcons being an anomaly at 34-28.
No different here.
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:36 PM   #67
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The Patriots were the better team the years they lost to the Giants twice and the Eagles. It happens. The team with the better season doesn't always win the SB. In fact the Giants snapped the Patriot's perfect season away in SB XL11. Here, both the Rams and the Chiefs were the better team but didn't win the right game. Frankly, I think you're better off losing the Championship and not getting to the SB, because most QBs, the exception being Elway, don't get back to a SB again. Not saying it can't happen, but it's more the exception and not the rule with the exception proving the rule.

I also think it's a dubious claim to say Belichick made this dynasty and it had nothing to do with Brady. Just look at BB's record before he teamed up with Brady. It wasn't good. In fact he was fired from the Cleveland Browns for his losing record. Bledsoe didn't win a SB under BB either. I more arguable claim would be that Brady made BB. Just because he played one lousy SB game doesn't change that.

How 'bout making a case based on some facts.
Brady was not great in their first two Super Bowl wins. He also got bailed out on his fumble against the Raiders by the Tuck Rule. If they lost that game, who knows how it might have played out. They took advantage of the fortunate break and then Belichick’s defense was phenomenal against Kurt Warner’s Rams offense.

I would give Belichick most of the credit for the first two Super Bowls plus the latest one. Defense was the primary reason they won those 3 rings. But I would give Brady most of the credit for their other 3 rings. He was phenomenal against the Falcons in particular. Belichick’s defense gets the blame for their 3 losses.
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:49 PM   #68
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How many Titles would Brady have won in his career without Belichick?

Like if he had played for the Raiders or Dolphins his entire career?

Did Belichick make Brady or Brady made Belichick?
I don't think it's an either or?

They are two puzzle pieces that fit together perfectly. One wouldn't be the success they are without the other. They make each other great.
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:52 PM   #69
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Brady was not great in their first two Super Bowl wins. He also got bailed out on his fumble against the Raiders by the Tuck Rule. If they lost that game, who knows how it might have played out. They took advantage of the fortunate break and then Belichick’s defense was phenomenal against Kurt Warner’s Rams offense.
That's what they do. As for Brady, he wasn't seasoned and experienced yet. He got better.

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I would give Belichick most of the credit for the first two Super Bowls plus the latest one. Defense was the primary reason they won those 3 rings. But I would give Brady most of the credit for their other 3 rings. He was phenomenal against the Falcons in particular. Belichick’s defense gets the blame for their 3 losses.
Their defense was definitely a big factor there. Vrabel Milloy, Brusci, Washington, Seymour and Harrison. Loved those guys.
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I don't think it's an either or?

They are two puzzle pieces that fit together perfectly. One wouldn't be the success they are without the other. They make each other great.
I can accept this. It went through my mind a few times. Sometimes it's a combination that just really clicks.
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The Chiefs scored 31 points in the second half vs. the Pats...
After a half of doing nothing
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The Patriots were the better team the years they lost to the Giants twice and the Eagles.
How would you know if the Patriots were better than the Eagles since you boycotted the NFL last season and didn’t watch the Super Bowl?
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Brady was not great in their first two Super Bowl wins. He also got bailed out on his fumble against the Raiders by the Tuck Rule. If they lost that game, who knows how it might have played out. They took advantage of the fortunate break and then Belichick’s defense was phenomenal against Kurt Warner’s Rams offense.

I would give Belichick most of the credit for the first two Super Bowls plus the latest one. Defense was the primary reason they won those 3 rings. But I would give Brady most of the credit for their other 3 rings. He was phenomenal against the Falcons in particular. Belichick’s defense gets the blame for their 3 losses.
Let's not forget that the Pats were trailing the Steelers in the AFCCG before Bledsoe came in for an injured Brady and led them to victory. That first SB was about as lucky as you can get.
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