Chiefs John Dorsey agrees to become Browns GM - Page 5

RunKC · 12-07-2017, 08:10 PM

Adam schefter

chiefzilla1501 · 12-07-2017, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Why wouldn't Dorsey trade for Alex?

Bring some stability to the quarterback situation as he drafts and then develops his guy (if he does select a quarterback, of course).

Agreed. The browns don't need a championship right now. They need to rebuild confidence to the fan base and they need players to not hate playing there. Gregg Williams will build a good defense. The browns have a solid running game, a hof left tackle, and really top notch talent at te and RB. Good enough for Alex to game manage into a playoff spot where he'll ultimately shit his pants. But for the browns, that's a huge win for them.

Fish · 12-07-2017, 10:20 PM

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-07-2017, 10:23 PM

hahaha

guess we know where smith is headed

KCrockaholic · 12-07-2017, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

hahaha

guess we know where smith is headed

I hope. But I feel like Alex is more of Andy's boy than Johns.

ForeverChiefs58 · 12-07-2017, 10:31 PM

Trade them Alex Smith for a pick and Josh Gordon

Fish · 12-07-2017, 10:36 PM

And Cleveland becomes the final destination for future Chiefs reject castoffs....

T-post Tom · 12-07-2017, 10:50 PM

Will hurt feels keep Dorsey from dealing with the Chiefs? Hope not. Joe Thomas' contract is up after 2018. He's 33 & was still one of the best LTs prior to a triceps injury that ended his season in wk 7. Should be fully recovered before next training camp. (Prior to that, he held the longest streak of consecutive plays in NFL history.) Will make about $2.5M less than Eric Fisher (26 yrs old) in 2018. Bring him in and move Fisher to G? If you can be a team leader in CLE, you can be a team leader anywhere. Probably smartest and best technician at LT in the NFL. He could really raise the level of the OLine. Reuniting him with Schwartz would give us one of the best set of bookends in the NFL. If only for a season or two. Good way to keep Mahomes on his feet in his inaugural season as a starter. Just a random thought.... BTW, Fisher becomes expendable from a salary cap position after 2018, if that matters.

Quesadilla Joe · 12-07-2017, 10:52 PM

One more note on new #Browns GM John Dorsey: he has control over the roster in his contract, sources tell @RapSheet and me. (Andy Reid had it in KC.) He'll run the draft, free agency, etc. #FootballGuy making football decisions.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) December 8, 2017

RunKC · 12-07-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

One more note on new #Browns GM John Dorsey: he has control over the roster in his contract, sources tell @RapSheet and me. (Andy Reid had it in KC.) He'll run the draft, free agency, etc. #FootballGuy making football decisions.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) December 8, 2017

No ****ing shit. We knew that like 3 years ago.

SuperBowl4 · 12-07-2017, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I am pretty sure that Dontari was picked by the Chiefs under Pioli, not Dorsey. Poe is playing with the Falcons and that is where Pioli was last time I checked.

Why to Cleveland?

Because he is a stud and has only a one year deal in Atlanta. Cleveland could use him long term. The Chiefs should have signed him long term!

T-post Tom · 12-07-2017, 11:24 PM

Goodell just earned his new paycheck.

John Wooten, the executive director of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, rarely takes issue with arguably questionable efforts by NFL teams to comply with the letter and spirit of the Rooney Rule. With respect to Cleveland’s bang-bang hiring of G.M. John Dorsey, on the same day executive V.P. of football operations Sashi Brown was fired, Wooten isn’t happy.

“I think John Dorsey is a very top quality G.M.,” Wooten told Jarrett Bell of USA Today. “I am livid that the Browns would totally ignore the work all of us to make the Rooney Rule meaningful.”

The Browns contend that they complied with the Rooney Rule. Like the Chiefs earlier this year, however, the Browns have declined to disclose how and when they complied. Based on a separate statement that Wooten gave to ESPN, it appears that the Browns did not comply by interviewing one of the recommended minority candidates.

Some have suggested that the Browns complied via a vague interview of former 49ers coach Mike Singletary, which occurred in recent weeks. But how could Singletary be regarded as a viable candidate to be a General Manager? He got into coaching more than a decade after his playing career ended, and he has never worked as a scout. The notion that he’d instantly be qualified to be a G.M. is nearly as laughable as someone buying a team and making himself the G.M. (which has been done, amazingly).

It’s also unclear whether the Browns complied with the Rooney Rule by interviewing minority candidates before Brown was fired. Washington pulled that move when hiring Mike Shanahan to replace Jim Zorn, interviewing then-assistant Jerry Gray before actually firing Zorn. The league regarded that ruse as sufficient compliance with the Rooney Rule.

Yes, the Browns have a minority head coach and had, until today, a minority executive who ran the entire football operation. But there’s no exception to the Rooney Rule based on past hires; as to coaching, G.M., and other high-level jobs, at least one minority candidate must be interviewed.

Even if the Browns found a way to clumsily check the box, the spirit of the rule apparently was ignored. And it’s likely that the league, based on an established lack of diligence and transparency in matters of this nature, will not be inclined to find that a violation occurred.

The fact that the league will give the Browns a pass doesn’t mean Wooten, the media, or anyone else should. If a rule on the books isn’t going to be respected, the rule should be scrapped. And in the same year that the man for whom the rule was named died, it would be nice to see teams go out of their way to honor the rule — especially when the team in question is currently owned by someone who previously owned a significant chunk of the Steelers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/08/head-of-fritz-pollard-alliance-livid-over-browns-g-m-hire/

Simply Red · 12-07-2017, 11:27 PM

Laugh all you want, quietly the Browns have been building a legit roster.

threebag · 12-07-2017, 11:54 PM

Could you imagine Mahomes to Gordon the Dawg Pound would go wild on Sundays

cooper barrett · 12-08-2017, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I’ll take your 2nd round pick for Alex. You need to stabilize that’s QB position.

More like "Jacksonville was your only taker and they don't want him, I'll give you a fourth, a high fourth, but conditionally."

BlackOp · 12-08-2017, 02:32 AM

Adam: Given the peculiar timing of your firing in KC....can you shed some light on what happened?

Dorsey: Sure...I was informed I would have to ensure that the Raiders and Chargers have a competitive season. I refused and the rest is history...

I mean I'm an ex-player and we put too much time in to just to let an owner dictate when and where we can win a game.

Adam: Can you quantify how the Chiefs have had such terrible luck in the post-season.

Dorsey: Well, you see, the owners dont really care about winning. They never have. KC, due to their small market, was designated as a fulcrum team. They merely exist in order to shape standings...much like the Detroit.. They are merely

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