***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

And WTF are kids in school spreading colds? ****in' parents, if it's one thing we should have learned in the past year and a half is to stay the **** home if you're sick.

My wife works at a large preschool program, and they have to send kids home all the time. On the one hand, you could say parents are idiots. However, for some it's a big challenge to keep a kid home since school is basically a babysitter while they're at work.

[lawrenceRaider]

The Delta variant of the coronavirus does not appear to cause more severe disease in children than earlier forms of the virus, a UK study suggests. Earlier this year, the research team found the Alpha variant of the virus did not appear to make children sicker than the so-called wild, or original, form of the virus, first seen in China. New data suggests that kids also do not get any sicker from Delta than they did from Alpha.

Secondary immune response stronger after infection than vaccination

In COVID-19 survivors, important components of the body's immune response called memory B cells continue to evolve and get stronger for at least several months, producing highly potent antibodies that can neutralize new variants of the virus, a new study has found. By comparison, vaccine-induced memory B cells are less robust, evolving for only a few weeks and never "learning" to protect against variants, researchers reported in a paper published on Thursday in Nature https://go.nature.com/3AjGx2B. COVID-19 vaccines do induce more antibodies than the immune system does after a coronavirus infection. But the immune system appears to outshine vaccines when it comes to memory B cells.

https://news.yahoo.com/delta-does-no...184145095.html

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My wife works at a large preschool program, and they have to send kids home all the time. On the one hand, you could say parents are idiots. However, for some it's a big challenge to keep a kid home since school is basically a babysitter while they're at work.

Yep, my wife is an infant teacher at a pre-school. Parents will load their babies up on Tylenol and decongestants and bring the babies in. It wears off after a few hours and temps spike and they have to call the parents to come get them. They still will not show up for hours and be pissed off that they were inconvenienced.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Was in drs office the other day ( masks required) my oxygen level was 85 percent with a mask 97 percent without it . He had me remove the mask .

You shouldn't use a Walmart bag as a mask

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

And WTF are kids in school spreading colds? ****in' parents, if it's one thing we should have learned in the past year and a half is to stay the **** home if you're sick.

Don't disagree but welcome to the real world. Sick kids go to school everyday just like sick adults go to work everyday.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by loochy

You shouldn't use a Walmart bag as a mask

Well damn it the price was right

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Don't disagree but welcome to the real world. Sick kids go to school everyday just like sick adults go to work everyday.

Yeah, and it's the mask mandates people complain about.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, and it's the mask mandates people complain about.

I don't get the correlation.... Long before covid 19 kids went to school sick and adults went to work sick. It's a puritan work ethic thing more than anything I think.....

Now masks keep kids from blowing their noses. Bullshit

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

That's actually not accurate:

https://www.history.com/news/1918-pa...alth-campaigns

No one blames Columbus for bringing and spreading measles to the native Americans. No one blames antivax mom for bringing little Suzy and her mumps to Disney World and infecting the little boy who can't get his MMR.

What a stupid statement

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

That's actually not accurate:

https://www.history.com/news/1918-pa...alth-campaigns

Originally Posted by jdubya

I don't get the correlation.... Long before covid 19 kids went to school sick and adults went to work sick. It's a puritan work ethic thing more than anything I think.....

Now masks keep kids from blowing their noses. Bullshit

Doesn't mean they should be doing it. Just because something was the norm in the past doesn't make it right. Going to school or work while contagious makes you a jackass.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I don't get the correlation.... Long before covid 19 kids went to school sick and adults went to work sick. It's a puritan work ethic thing more than anything I think.....

Now masks keep kids from blowing their noses. Bullshit

I didn't catch the "high school" part of your original post, figured we were talking about 1st graders who were being told not to use a tissue... no offense to your daughter, but that sounds made up or greatly exaggerated or perhaps based on one idiot teacher and not near a school-wide thing where 15-18 year olds look like 5 year olds with snot running down their face.

The point was that the mandates are almost completely in effect because people don't give a shit if they're infringing on the "freedom" of others as long as they can do whatever the **** they want, which includes spreading sickness to others..... so, you end up with a bunch of snotty kids and potentially their parents complaining about a mask mandate that would in theory actually help with having irresponsible parents and/or kids going to school sick.

It would be like showing up to work in a skimpy dress and no underwear, being forced to put on a work uniform, then complaining casual Friday was canceled and there's now a dress code..... you're the reason there are rules, Meredith.. (relevant Office clip)

[TLO]

An analysis of ~250,000 in Canada found two doses of any of the three COVID-19 vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca) led to strong protection from infection, hospitalization, AND death -even against Delta- REGARDLESS of the vaccination combination and showed NO signs of waning.

— Chise ���������� BWS GOH (@sailorrooscout) October 12, 2021

Worth clicking on and reading the thread.

[DaFace]

Looks like Moderna booster is probably going to mirror Pfizer's. They'll probably make it available to high-risk people, but not really a need for everyday folks.

The FDA has declined to take a stance on whether to back booster shots of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine, saying data shows two doses are still enough to protect against severe disease and death in the U.S. https://t.co/KxJzJVHTf4

— CNBC (@CNBC) October 12, 2021

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The FDA has declined to take a stance on whether to back booster shots of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine, saying data shows two doses are still enough to protect against severe disease and death in the U.S. https://t.co/KxJzJVHTf4
— CNBC (@CNBC) October 12, 2021

so, that IS taking a stance, isn't it?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by loochy

so, that IS taking a stance, isn't it?

It's semantics, but I think "taking a stance" means making a formal recommendation, and they're basically saying "Eh, there's no harm in it, but we don't see a strong need either."

In case it's not clear, this is the same thing they did with Pfizer. The committee will then take their synopsis and decide whether to recommend people get it. And chances are, it'll be the same deal as with Pfizer.

I just keep waiting for the J&J recommendation to come through. I have to imagine it'll be a different story given its relatively low effectiveness.