Cardinals "Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread - Page 15

**BigRedChief** · 02:10 PM

This is so unreal. We were dead. No hope. A season over. Somehow, someway we find some team chemistry and squeak into the playoffs on the last day of the season.

Only to find us facing one of the best pitching staffs assembled in years with home field advantage. We somehow, someway find a way to beat the best pitcher in baseball on the road in an elimination game.

We have to go on the road and beat the team with the best home record in baseball. A team who mortgaged their future to make this run .We somehow, someway find a way to beat them on the road and make our 18th World series trip.

We take game 1, we give away game 2 and home field advantage. Albert goes off for probably the best performance in World Series history and we take game 3 easily. Games 4 & 5 our bats fall asleep, Phone gate happens and its not looking too good.

Game 6, one of the best baseball games of all time and it takes place in a season ending go home game. Cardinals are down 2 runs in their final chance on the season, twice. They are down to their final strike of the season, twice. They give up a 2 run homer in extra innings. In the bottom of the inning their final 3 batters are a combined 3-26 in the Playoffs and a pitcher because the bench is empty. Somehow, someway they get some runners on and the comeback player of the year drives in the tying run. Mr. Freese hits the walk off home run. We will see you tommorrow night.

Game 7, With our bulldog on the mound pitching on 3 days rest he is able to give us 6 good innings and get us to within 9 outs of our 11 World series title. Texas meltsdown, probably left over from last nights game and its over.

The underdog, come back team who had no business even being in the playoffs wins a World championship. They make movies about events like this in life. Events that you remember even if your not a fan of the sport or team for the rest of your life.

When it is your team.......Priceless

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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:24 PM

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No way. AA star this year. Spring training invite and AAA star with a late callup in 2012. The big show in 2013.

Dude, he's a high school pitcher. Even if he gets called up in 2013, he's not going to be at his full potential then. He'll be 22 years old when the 2013 season starts.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:25 PM

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Same with freese, if he can stay healthy.

Counting on anything from David Freese is a fool's errand.

Miles · 02-10-2011, 11:42 PM

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Counting on anything from David Freese is a fool's errand.

Still not really sure why some depth at 3B wasn't picked up this offseason for that same reason.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2011, 12:22 AM

Same answer to everything else: John Mozeliak is a ****ing moron.

Miles · 02-11-2011, 02:21 AM

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Same answer to everything else: John Mozeliak is a ****ing moron.

Even more irritating since I had grown used to the Cards being a well run team. Wonder when that ****ing changed and now the Reds are doing smart things.

DJ's left nut · 02-11-2011, 04:50 PM

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He's played like a $30 million/year player for 10 ****ing years. If DeWitt wasn't a total dumbshit, he should have realized that this day was coming, and should have socked at least some of that surplus value away for his eventual raise.

Carpenter and Berkman come off the books after this year. That's 20+ million in savings right there. Add that to Pujols' contract and you're at the same payroll you were before. Lohse comes off after 2012. That's another 10 million/year you can use on Wainwright and Rasmus.

The Cardinals' payroll was around 95 million last year. It has been north of $100 million several years ago in a ballpark that generated less revenue. This team can easily, easily sustain a payroll of $120 million. This comes down to DeWitt being cheap and Mozeliak being stupid.

1b: Pujols (30MM)
2b: Schumaker (3 MM)
SS: Theriot (3.3 MM)
3B: Freese (400k)
LF: Holliday (17 MM)
CF Rasmus (400k)
RF Berkman (8MM)
C: Molina (6.5MM)

Bench:

Jay (400k)
Craig (400k)
Laird (1.1 MM)
Punto (750 K)
Greene (400k)

SP: Wainwright (6.5 MM)
SP: Carpenter (15 MM)
SP: Garcia (400k)
SP: Westbrook (8 MM)
SP:Lohse (11.88 MM)

CP:Franklin (3.5 MM)
SU: Motte (400k)
RRP: McClellan (1.38k)
LHRP: Miller (2 MM)
LHRP: Tallett (750k)
RRP: Boggs (400k)
RRP: Lance Lynn (400k)
RRP: Adam Ottavino (400k)

That's 122.66 million.

Now, whack the Berkman, Lohse, and Carpenter contracts off. That's 35 million in savings.

You mean to tell me that the Cardinals couldn't take 20 million of that 35, giving them a 107 MM payroll, and replace Carpenter, Lohse, and Berkman?? Cut off Theriot and Schumaker. That's another 6 million of replacement-level production.

Basically, if the Cardinals can find a pitcher that can give them 90% of 2010 Chris Carpenter for $10 million per, they'll be able to swing the Pujols extension with no elevation of the payroll. Granted, they should tack on another 15-20 after that. If they spend that money wisely, this team could contend.

Yup. It really is as simple as that...IF ownership does the right thing and raises payroll to a level commensurate with what it SHOULD be.

Remember, it wasn't too long ago that the Cardinals had the highest paid player in baseball on their team in Ozzie Smith. This mid-market stuff doesn't wash when revenues are as obscene as they are. The Cards can absolutely afford to pay Albert.

What they can't afford to do is pay $26 million for their 4th and 5th starters and the absolute worst middle infield in baseball.

Ultimately, if ownership shows the commitement to the team that it should, it won't be Albert's contract that kills the team (or Holliday's for that matter, just look at what Werth got). It will be the contracts handed out to lousy players like Lohse, Theriot and Skip that does it.

In closing - Mozeliak sucks.

DJ's left nut · 02-11-2011, 04:50 PM

Oh yeah, and with the resignation of Jerry Sloan, Tony LaRussa now has the longest continuous tenure with his team of any manager in the 4 major sports.

Aren't we lucky...

DJ's left nut · 02-11-2011, 04:52 PM

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You don't think Shelby can be that #2?

Foolish to count on a prospect to be a #2.

I remember the days when we were going to have 5 #1 starters in the rotation. I believe it was Morris, Benes, Benes, Osborne and Chad Hutchinson/Rick Ankiel.

That didn't come together so well for us.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2011, 06:48 PM

I made the radio today thanks to an online rant about Mozeliak. After reading my comment on the radio's page, they said, "Wow, you can almost see the anger coming out of the keyboard."

Rams Fan · 02-11-2011, 06:57 PM

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I made the radio today thanks to an online rant about Mozeliak. After reading my comment on the radio's page, they said, "Wow, you can almost see the anger coming out of the keyboard."

Which one? KMOX, 101.1 ESPN, 590, 1380? If it's 1380:

Al Bundy · 02-11-2011, 07:20 PM

I have to wonder how this thing with Albert wasn't taken care of 3-4 years ago.

**BigRedChief** · 02-11-2011, 08:20 PM

You guys hear Holliday on the radio today offered to defer some money to help keep pujols?

Rams Fan · 02-11-2011, 08:39 PM

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You guys hear Holliday on the radio today offered to defer some money to help keep pujols?

Yep, it's on the Post Dispatch's website.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2011, 09:28 PM

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Which one? KMOX, 101.1 ESPN, 590, 1380? If it's 1380:

Local ESPN station in CoMo called 1580. I was on their website and posted a comment before going out the door to go run some errands. By the time I had pulled out of the drive, they were reading my comment on the air.

We have to seriously embrace the fact that John Mozeliak isn’t just bad at his job, he’s so epically incompetent that the light from bad would take decades to reach him. The fact that this negotiation has taken so long is a serious indictment on the management and ownership of the team. Mozeliak has done nothing to disprove the fact that he’s a complete stooge. Nothing.

**BigRedChief** · 02-11-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Local ESPN station in CoMo called 1580. I was on their website and posted a comment before going out the door to go run some errands. By the time I had pulled out of the drive, they were reading my comment on the air.

We have to seriously embrace the fact that John Mozeliak isn’t just bad at his job, he’s so epically incompetent that the light from bad would take decades to reach him. The fact that this negotiation has taken so long is a serious indictment on the management and ownership of the team. Mozeliak has done nothing to disprove the fact that he’s a complete stooge. Nothing.

sounds rather pedestrian compared to some of your Mo rants on here lately.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3059627 VARSITY	"Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread This is so unreal. We were dead. No hope. A season over. Somehow, someway we find some team chemistry and squeak into the playoffs on the last day of the season. Only to find us facing one of the best pitching staffs assembled in years with home field advantage. We somehow, someway find a way to beat the best pitcher in baseball on the road in an elimination game. We have to go on the road and beat the team with the best home record in baseball. A team who mortgaged their future to make this run .We somehow, someway find a way to beat them on the road and make our 18th World series trip. We take game 1, we give away game 2 and home field advantage. Albert goes off for probably the best performance in World Series history and we take game 3 easily. Games 4 & 5 our bats fall asleep, Phone gate happens and its not looking too good. Game 6, one of the best baseball games of all time and it takes place in a season ending go home game. Cardinals are down 2 runs in their final chance on the season, twice. They are down to their final strike of the season, twice. They give up a 2 run homer in extra innings. In the bottom of the inning their final 3 batters are a combined 3-26 in the Playoffs and a pitcher because the bench is empty. Somehow, someway they get some runners on and the comeback player of the year drives in the tying run. Mr. Freese hits the walk off home run. We will see you tommorrow night. Game 7, With our bulldog on the mound pitching on 3 days rest he is able to give us 6 good innings and get us to within 9 outs of our 11 World series title. Texas meltsdown, probably left over from last nights game and its over. The underdog, come back team who had no business even being in the playoffs wins a World championship. They make movies about events like this in life. Events that you remember even if your not a fan of the sport or team for the rest of your life. When it is your team.......Priceless . Attached Thumbnails Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-29-2011 at 02:10 PM..
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	I made the radio today thanks to an online rant about Mozeliak. After reading my comment on the radio's page, they said, "Wow, you can almost see the anger coming out of the keyboard." __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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