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ShowtimeSBMVP · 08:33 AM

Police: Man who died at Arrowhead was in a vehicle similar to one he arrived in
December 3
BY CHRISTINE VENDEL
The Kansas City Star

A Smithville man who was found in someone else’s Jeep and then died in a struggle outside Arrowhead Stadium Sunday had gone to the game in a similar vehicle that was parked nearby, police said Tuesday.

The Jeep also showed no signs of a break-in, leading police to believe it may have been left unlocked when Kyle Van Winkle, 30, climbed in and sat down.

Police released the additional details Tuesday as they continued to investigate what led to the death of Van Winkle, who had attended the Chiefs game against the Denver Broncos with relatives.

Detectives planned to interview relatives Tuesday to determine when they last saw him inside the stadium.

Police were called to Lot A of the Truman Sports Complex about 5:20 p.m. Sunday on a disturbance. Witnesses told police the Jeep owner had returned to his vehicle with his son, who is about 10 years old, when they realized a stranger was inside. The boy summoned help from several tail-gaters and they engaged in a struggle with Van Winkle, who had been sitting in the Jeep. Van Winkle collapsed and later died at a hospital.

Police did not say how Van Winkle died, but they said his body bore no signs of obvious injury.

Officers arrested three men shortly after the death, but they had to track down the fourth man who was arrested. Police searched one man’s home in Independence on Monday.

Detectives released three of the men Monday night and the fourth man Tuesday morning, pending further investigation.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/03...#storylink=cpy

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 06:53 PM

I guess I was just brought up to respect the property of others or there are consequences.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-04-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I guess I was just brought up to respect the property of others or there are consequences.

Basically this could've easily been you about to be charged with manslaughter is what you're telling us.

Mr. Laz · 12-04-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

Personal responsibility also includes self control and not beating a person to death over a drunken accident, no?

I have not read this thread ....

Can i assume that some dude got too drunk at the game and then wandered out into the parking lot and passed out in the wrong car. Owner came along and beat him to death for it.

Does that sum up what basically happened?

**hometeam** · 12-04-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz

I have not read this thread ....

Can i assume that some dude got too drunk at the game and then wandered out into the parking lot and passed out in the wrong car. Owner came along and beat him to death for it.

Does that sum up what basically happened?

Yes, except it was not the owner, it was some guys standing around near the owner.

or something.

Saccopoo · 12-04-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I guess I was just brought up to respect the property of others or there are consequences.

And there is nothing wrong with that, but beating a guy to death for sitting in a car, a car which he thought was his buddies/brothers/whatever is absolutely, unquestionably wrong.

Even taking the path of physical confrontation as an initial course of action in such a situation is wrong.

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Basically this could've easily been you about to be charged with manslaughter is what you're telling us.

Perhaps. I can't really say without more details.

I wouldn't have beat him "to death" or anywhere near that. But if I was in the right state of mind I probably would have punched him in the face.

It's entirely possible that's all that happened, and freak circumstance caused him to die. In that case, I'd probably be facing prison.

All of our actions have consequences.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-04-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Perhaps. I can't really say without more details.

I wouldn't have beat him "to death" or anywhere near that. But if I was in the right state of mind I probably would have punched him in the face.

It's entirely possible that's all that happened, and freak circumstance caused him to die. In that case, I'd probably be facing prison.

All of our actions have consequences.

Exactly. And that's pretty much exactly what I think happened. 1 punch to the face. Freak accident. Got kids? A wife? Think about that shit before you go Rambo out there. You and I have had our differences in the past, but you don't seem like a bad guy to me. So, my apologies if it seems I'm standing on some soapbox, but I think about this shit all the time when someone pisses me off in public, and I don't have kids. That's a pretty shitty way to go out. On either end of it, especially over something so stupid.

BigCatDaddy · 12-04-2013, 07:06 PM

And this type of shit is exactly why George Zimmerman was 100% right in pulling the trigger.

KChiefer · 12-04-2013, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

And this type of shit is exactly why George Zimmerman was 100% right in pulling the trigger.

Is Zimmerman the guy that accidentally sat in the wrong car or the guy who was trying to apprehend the "dangerous" trespasser?

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Is Zimmerman the guy that accidentally sat in the wrong car or the guy who was trying to apprehend the "dangerous" trespasser?

Take your pick, it doesn't matter. If you carry a gun you can just shoot your way out of any trouble you get yourself into.

**Rain Man** · 12-04-2013, 07:15 PM

If a person is completely drunk and you find them in your car, I would presume that the proper procedure is to drive them out in the country somewhere and drop them off on a dirt road.

**New World Order** · 12-04-2013, 07:19 PM

Kyle was drunk and has a similar jeep as the guy who beat him.

KChiefer · 12-04-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Take your pick, it doesn't matter. If you carry a gun you can just shoot your way out of any trouble you get yourself into.

BigCatDaddy · 12-04-2013, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Is Zimmerman the guy that accidentally sat in the wrong car or the guy who was trying to apprehend the "dangerous" trespasser?

He was the victim of assault.

Cannibal · 12-04-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Perhaps. I can't really say without more details.

I wouldn't have beat him "to death" or anywhere near that. But if I was in the right state of mind I probably would have punched him in the face.

It's entirely possible that's all that happened, and freak circumstance caused him to die. In that case, I'd probably be facing prison.

All of our actions have consequences.

12-01-2013, 07:18 PM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3496009	810 Just said someone got murderd outside Arrowhead Police: Man who died at Arrowhead was in a vehicle similar to one he arrived in December 3 BY CHRISTINE VENDEL The Kansas City Star A Smithville man who was found in someone else’s Jeep and then died in a struggle outside Arrowhead Stadium Sunday had gone to the game in a similar vehicle that was parked nearby, police said Tuesday. The Jeep also showed no signs of a break-in, leading police to believe it may have been left unlocked when Kyle Van Winkle, 30, climbed in and sat down. Police released the additional details Tuesday as they continued to investigate what led to the death of Van Winkle, who had attended the Chiefs game against the Denver Broncos with relatives. Detectives planned to interview relatives Tuesday to determine when they last saw him inside the stadium. Police were called to Lot A of the Truman Sports Complex about 5:20 p.m. Sunday on a disturbance. Witnesses told police the Jeep owner had returned to his vehicle with his son, who is about 10 years old, when they realized a stranger was inside. The boy summoned help from several tail-gaters and they engaged in a struggle with Van Winkle, who had been sitting in the Jeep. Van Winkle collapsed and later died at a hospital. Police did not say how Van Winkle died, but they said his body bore no signs of obvious injury. Officers arrested three men shortly after the death, but they had to track down the fourth man who was arrested. Police searched one man’s home in Independence on Monday. Detectives released three of the men Monday night and the fourth man Tuesday morning, pending further investigation. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/03...#storylink=cpy Last edited by Gonzo; 07-14-2016 at 08:33 AM.. Reason: Couldn't stand it anymore.
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