Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by niblet

You know, serial killers are probably the worst hit by uncontrollable mental depravity and natural inclinations toward antisocial behavior. Are we supposed to tread carefully around their criticism as well?

No, because serial killers act out and impose pain on others. And while Seau's actions will pain others his committing suicide was acting out on himself against himself.

A friend was having an affair, loved both women, couldn't decide on which and in a fit of drunken stupor killed himself on Christmas Eve with his young children downstairs at a party the family was hosting.
A house full of friends and family celebrating Christmas forever tarnished with the memory of that night. We were invited but did not attend that party, thank God.

If there was an argument for suicide being selfish his suicide would fit the bill. Yet after the shock and anger wears off you see a tragic story of someone who lost control of their life, was living a lie, drank too much and had a gun in the house.

We often wonder, if he'd just waited until the morning would he have made the same choice? We think he wouldn't. Believe it or not, he was a fantastic father, good husband, and all around loveable sweet guy. The last person in the world you would call 'selfish.'

[tk13]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Junior was coherant before his death. He wasn't ready to be fitted for a straight-jacket.

We don't know this, though. No one does. I hesitate to even enter this argument because it's a brutal one. But the dude almost drove off a cliff a while back.

That's the catch. Yeah there is a selfish side to it. Then there's a side to it where anyone who has the ability to stick a gun to themselves and pull the trigger is obviously suffering some sort of severe mental problem. I don't understand how people argue otherwise. There is nothing about this that should be considered normal behavior.

Originally Posted by tk13

I hesitate to even enter this argument because it's a brutal one.

Play it safe dude. Lest the psychos tell you to shoot yourself since you disagree.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by tk13

We don't know this, though. No one does. I hesitate to even enter this argument because it's a brutal one. But the dude almost drove off a cliff a while back.

That's the catch. Yeah there is a selfish side to it. Then there's a side to it where anyone who has the ability to stick a gun to themselves and pull the trigger is obviously suffering some sort of severe mental problem. I don't understand how people argue otherwise. There is nothing about this that should be considered normal behavior.

You do make a good point here. There is a fine line between crazy and selfish, and I've conceded that I'm, reluctantly, willing to overlook crazy.

However, although I agree you have to be "off" to kill yourself, I wont say thats enough for me to give someone a pass.

The problem here is eliminating the possibility that ego played a role. I can envision someone (Donald Trump) falling into financial ruin, and they are so damned self-centered that their family's potential misery is overwhelmed by their own financial, moral, or reputational standing, and they can't see that life is worth living because of how bad they'd feel, without a thought for how sad everyone else would be. To hell with those people. I want true, rare, genuine, drooling crazy.

The fact that Seau recently came into financial difficulty doesn't help, if someone wants to argue his depression was sparked by his financial problems, thats only going to harden my heart, because that points to an ego-driven person staring into his downfall, without a care in the world for his mother's tears, not willing to live through it.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by alnorth

The problem here is eliminating the possibility that ego played a role. I can envision someone (Donald Trump) falling into financial ruin, and they are so damned self-centered that their family's potential misery is overwhelmed by their own financial, moral, or reputational standing, and they can't see that life is worth living because of how bad they'd feel, without a thought for how sad everyone else would be. To hell with those people. I want true, rare, genuine, drooling crazy.

Mental illness is hard to understand, but it is very real.

[SDChiefs]

Originally Posted by alnorth

DT didn't ignore the emotional well-being and future of his 3 children, nor did he turn his back on his brother and mother.

Junior was coherant before his death. He wasn't ready to be fitted for a straight-jacket. Depression is not an excuse, if being depressed quashes any concern someone might have for their broken-hearted family, then they were a horrible person.

I said they were the two best linebackers of their generation. I didnt say what seau did was acceptable.

Originally Posted by SDChiefs

Bunch of brutal assholes on this site. Lol. He and DT were the best linebackers of their generation.

He was an amazing talent no doubt. I feel terrible for his kids.

[wazu]

Here's why I see both sides. I have had a couple of moments in my life where I got to a point where I could see the value in ending it all. I never took it any farther. I couldn't conceive of the pain it would cause for others. But it gave me a glimpse of why some people do it, and my thought was that if I magnified that feeling a few times, my caring about how others felt might be overwhelmed by a desire to just make it all stop, immediately and permanently. No more pain, at least for me. That may be selfish, but it isn't malicious.

[Monty]

Originally Posted by alnorth

With just one stupid, selfish act that person, at least for a while, wrecks the lives of all their family and friends who have to go on after them, mourning and wondering why. Sometimes for years. I guess if someone doesn't care at all about anyone who might care about them, so be it, and it all boggles my mind because life is great, but if isn't great for them for whatever reason, they should at least think about what they might be doing to others.

You could also apply this logic to someone who drives in the left lane and refuses to pull over, amirite?

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Monty

You could also apply this logic to someone who drives in the left lane and refuses to pull over, amirite?

No, because it's impossible to drive in the left lane for years without routinely stopping for gas, food and bathroom breaks.....

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Monty

You could also apply this logic to someone who drives in the left lane and refuses to pull over, amirite?

I am going to put you on ignore just for being a cross-eyed drooling reerun. You don't have many posts, I'm not missing anything.

I don't take people off ignore. Good-bye forever.

[Monty]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I am going to put you on ignore just for being a cross-eyed drooling reerun. You don't have many posts, I'm not missing anything.

I don't take people off ignore. Good-bye forever.

This isn't fair at all. I only drool when sleeping.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Monty

This isn't fair at all. I only drool when sleeping.

You sleep a lot?

[Monty]

Normally, yes. Tumultuous last few days as I may be looking at new career options. Feeling just a bit anxious, but excited at the same time.

[milkshock]

not read through this but wasnt there a thread about the best way to kiill yourself a few days ago? did it get deleted because of this?

and im sure someone made an, at the time, bizarre reference to going out like junior seau - before he had shot himself.