QB Impressions

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:25 AM

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:30 AM

Davis Webb, California
6'5", 230 lbs
37-12 TD-INT, 62%, 4295 passing yards

Classic boom-or-bust guy. I am not a huge fan of the Air Raid passing offenses, in general, I think they basically require from-the-ground-up development. Two things Webb has going for him, aside from the fact that the NFL is desperately QB thirsty, is that he's got a great physical frame and does truly throw a beautiful ball. I don't know enough about him to determine whether he's worth the developmental time, however, and can make the pro-style transition.

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:35 AM

DeShaun Watson, Clemson
6'2", 205 lbs
37-15 TD-INT, 68%, 3914 passing yards

I get really excited about this guy despite his several flaws as a prospect, but I see something here that can be coached up. The stuff you can't coach -- his toughness, his leadership, his intelligence, his ability to play big in the biggest games -- he's got in spades. His fundamentals look like they're going to need a complete retooling in the NFL, however -- something he'd probably embrace. I don't know if a low-first is the right price for him, but I bet a year or two redshirting behind Alex Smith could prove valuable.

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:39 AM

Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech
6'3", 220 lbs
41-10 TD-INT, 66%, 5052 passing yards

The more I watch this guy, the more I'm convinced this is a classic Andy Reid QB. I just shit on the Air Raid offense, but man, watch this guy play. He puts up ridiculous numbers with on-point passing (rarely does he test an NFL passing window, however). His athleticism looks good, his passes look great, his size is good. First impression, I'd be willing to burn a 2nd on this guy.

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:44 AM

Brad Kaaya, Miami
6'4", 210 lbs
27-7 TD-INT, 62%, 3532 passing yards

I see a little Trent Green upside in Kaaya; a QB who, when his shitty OL isn't imploding on him, can make some surgical strikes. But there are waaaaay too many flags here. His arm isn't very strong. He's a statue. He goes full Damon Huard in the face of pressure. Reports are that he isn't that good of a dude in the locker room either. Third day pick, if that.

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:47 AM

Chad Kelly, Ole Miss

So... Johnny Manzel, 2.0, amiright? Minus the playmaking ability in big games. Would not draft.

Hammock Parties · 01-03-2017, 01:05 AM

Pretty accurate. I'm not in love with any of these guys. I'd prefer the Chiefs go get a guy in 2018, because that class is STRONG.

And when i say "go get a guy" I mean move some picks to do it. Trade 2017 picks for 2018 picks. Prepare for the eventuality that your QB is on the wrong side of 30.

My general feeling on the 2017 QB class is you have a small chance to get a decent player, and no chance to get a great player. Wait.

Will I complain if they take someone in 2017? No, because in general I trust Reid 'n Dorsey. But most everyone seems to think 2018 is stronger.

Also Trubisky completely soured me during his Bowl game. Do not want. As for Mahomes, i would be shocked if a good QB ever came out of that school. The best TTU QB of all time (in NFL terms) is Billy Joe ****ing Tolliver.

One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 10:09 PM

Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
6'5", 235 lbs
28-4 TD-INT, 63%, 4091 passing yards

Now Rudolph is where the draftniks separate themselves from the layperson who is more casual about this. His size and his numbers are great, but he is a pure product of that wide open spread they play in Clearwater. I've seen this guy play -- his mechanics are horrendous. He never makes reads, all his plays are basically one-looks. His passes are terrible -- he's benefitted from rarely having to hit an NFL-caliber window and having really good receivers. I would probably try out Rudolph as a UDFA, but I really hate him as a prospect.

BryanBusby · 01-03-2017, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider2YBanana

Pretty accurate. I'm not in love with any of these guys. I'd prefer the Chiefs go get a guy in 2018, because that class is STRONG.

And when i say "go get a guy" I mean move some picks to do it. Trade 2017 picks for 2018 picks. Prepare for the eventuality that your QB is on the wrong side of 30.

My general feeling on the 2017 QB class is you have a small chance to get a decent player, and no chance to get a great player. Wait.

Will I complain if they take someone in 2017? No, because in general I trust Reid 'n Dorsey. But most everyone seems to think 2018 is stronger.

Also Trubisky completely soured me during his Bowl game. Do not want. As for Mahomes, i would be shocked if a good QB ever came out of that school. The best TTU QB of all time (in NFL terms) is Billy Joe ****ing Tolliver.

One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.

The Chiefs have quite a few needs and should be using what they got for 17 to fill holes and move around in that draft.

They aren't going to bad enough next season to be in position to tap the better talent at top for 18. As for this class, its grim at top but I like the potential afterwards if you're not looking for an immediate starter. There are multiple QB's that I think would fit.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-04-2017, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech
6'3", 220 lbs
41-10 TD-INT, 66%, 5052 passing yards

The more I watch this guy, the more I'm convinced this is a classic Andy Reid QB. I just shit on the Air Raid offense, but man, watch this guy play. He puts up ridiculous numbers with on-point passing (rarely does he test an NFL passing window, however). His athleticism looks good, his passes look great, his size is good. First impression, I'd be willing to burn a 2nd on this guy.

Picked this kid too

RunKC · 01-04-2017, 08:25 AM

Holy shit! Brad Kaaya' mom is the "bye Felicia!" girl from Friday. Hot damn that's hillarious

**Trivers** · 01-04-2017, 09:38 AM

Hey, looking ahead a year, what do you think of Baker Mayfield?

Chief Northman · 01-04-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech
6'3", 220 lbs
41-10 TD-INT, 66%, 5052 passing yards

The more I watch this guy, the more I'm convinced this is a classic Andy Reid QB. I just shit on the Air Raid offense, but man, watch this guy play. He puts up ridiculous numbers with on-point passing (rarely does he test an NFL passing window, however). His athleticism looks good, his passes look great, his size is good. First impression, I'd be willing to burn a 2nd on this guy.

Fantastic athlete.
Will not pan out as a qb in the NFL. Think Terelle Pryor. Mahomes stays in the pocket for on average of 1.5 seconds on any given pass play. Looks to run/scramble at the first sign of pressure. The NFL will beat that out of him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2017, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Fantastic athlete.
Will not pan out as a qb in the NFL. Think Terelle Pryor. Mahomes stays in the pocket for on average of 1.5 seconds on any given pass play. Looks to run/scramble at the first sign of pressure. The NFL will beat that out of him.

That's why he needs to sit for at least a year, if not two, to learn how to play QB in the NFL.

This is a common problem and will only continue to get worse as nearly every college is running an Air Raid type of offense.

DJ's left nut · 01-05-2017, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trivers

Hey, looking ahead a year, what do you think of Baker Mayfield?

I think Bob Stoops, OU and anything associated with that pack of morally bankrupt assholes is free to go **** itself.

01-03-2017, 12:25 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	QB Impressions First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 6'4", 230 lbs 26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina 6'3", 220 lbs 30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.
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01-03-2017, 12:30 AM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	Davis Webb, California 6'5", 230 lbs 37-12 TD-INT, 62%, 4295 passing yards Classic boom-or-bust guy. I am not a huge fan of the Air Raid passing offenses, in general, I think they basically require from-the-ground-up development. Two things Webb has going for him, aside from the fact that the NFL is desperately QB thirsty, is that he's got a great physical frame and does truly throw a beautiful ball. I don't know enough about him to determine whether he's worth the developmental time, however, and can make the pro-style transition.
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01-03-2017, 12:35 AM	#3
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	DeShaun Watson, Clemson 6'2", 205 lbs 37-15 TD-INT, 68%, 3914 passing yards I get really excited about this guy despite his several flaws as a prospect, but I see something here that can be coached up. The stuff you can't coach -- his toughness, his leadership, his intelligence, his ability to play big in the biggest games -- he's got in spades. His fundamentals look like they're going to need a complete retooling in the NFL, however -- something he'd probably embrace. I don't know if a low-first is the right price for him, but I bet a year or two redshirting behind Alex Smith could prove valuable.
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01-03-2017, 12:39 AM	#4
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	Pat Mahomes, Texas Tech 6'3", 220 lbs 41-10 TD-INT, 66%, 5052 passing yards The more I watch this guy, the more I'm convinced this is a classic Andy Reid QB. I just shit on the Air Raid offense, but man, watch this guy play. He puts up ridiculous numbers with on-point passing (rarely does he test an NFL passing window, however). His athleticism looks good, his passes look great, his size is good. First impression, I'd be willing to burn a 2nd on this guy.
Posts: 59,575

01-03-2017, 12:44 AM	#5
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	Brad Kaaya, Miami 6'4", 210 lbs 27-7 TD-INT, 62%, 3532 passing yards I see a little Trent Green upside in Kaaya; a QB who, when his shitty OL isn't imploding on him, can make some surgical strikes. But there are waaaaay too many flags here. His arm isn't very strong. He's a statue. He goes full Damon Huard in the face of pressure. Reports are that he isn't that good of a dude in the locker room either. Third day pick, if that.
Posts: 59,575

01-03-2017, 12:47 AM	#6
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	Chad Kelly, Ole Miss So... Johnny Manzel, 2.0, amiright? Minus the playmaking ability in big games. Would not draft.
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01-03-2017, 01:05 AM	#7
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $2750478	Pretty accurate. I'm not in love with any of these guys. I'd prefer the Chiefs go get a guy in 2018, because that class is STRONG. And when i say "go get a guy" I mean move some picks to do it. Trade 2017 picks for 2018 picks. Prepare for the eventuality that your QB is on the wrong side of 30. My general feeling on the 2017 QB class is you have a small chance to get a decent player, and no chance to get a great player. Wait. Will I complain if they take someone in 2017? No, because in general I trust Reid 'n Dorsey. But most everyone seems to think 2018 is stronger. Also Trubisky completely soured me during his Bowl game. Do not want. As for Mahomes, i would be shocked if a good QB ever came out of that school. The best TTU QB of all time (in NFL terms) is Billy Joe ****ing Tolliver. One thing about Kizer: I think Notre Dame was so much of a shitshow, overrated program that he could have some untapped potential in a more stable environment. I like his talent the most out of all these guys.
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01-03-2017, 10:09 PM	#8
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State 6'5", 235 lbs 28-4 TD-INT, 63%, 4091 passing yards Now Rudolph is where the draftniks separate themselves from the layperson who is more casual about this. His size and his numbers are great, but he is a pure product of that wide open spread they play in Clearwater. I've seen this guy play -- his mechanics are horrendous. He never makes reads, all his plays are basically one-looks. His passes are terrible -- he's benefitted from rarely having to hit an NFL-caliber window and having really good receivers. I would probably try out Rudolph as a UDFA, but I really hate him as a prospect.
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01-04-2017, 08:25 AM	#11
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01-04-2017, 09:38 AM	#12
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