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Old 01-17-2021, 05:11 PM  
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:25 PM   #706
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Yeah, we talked all week about the Browns having no answer for Kelce, and they had no answer for Kelce.

The fun part leading up to every game is reading and listening to all of the theories on the match ups and then seeing if the team figured it out (or if the other team failed to execute on it).

Browns fans brought some of that to the table and were very aware of their team's weaknesses and possible ways they might cover for them, and what they would need to exploit the Chiefs' weaknesses (and if they could).

This week it's "we're different than week 6". Okay..... so, they won't play exactly like they did in week 6. Duh.. It would be nice to get a bit deeper on their theories with a shred of awareness when it comes to their strengths and weaknesses outside of "Josh Allen is MVP".
Exactly.

They're hanging their hat on the idea that the Bills will simply play better than they did in Week 6.

They're completely ignoring the fact that their game plan didn't work. It's not that they didn't execute, it's that the game plan was flawed from the start.

No amount of proper execution can overcome deficiencies in play calling and personnel. There doesn't seem to be any awareness of that fact.

This time will be different because the Bills will play better. Nevermind that they're completely avoiding the idea that the Chiefs might play better too.
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:26 PM   #707
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the problem is the Bills don't have the guns to get to Mahomes with their down four. So, they have a few options:

1. Play back in soft zone, like they did in the first game. We just saw what happens in a game when teams play that soft zone (i.e. Browns game, and Bills don't have a Myles Garrett). Of course, we also have first hand experience with this in the first Bills game

2. Play more aggressive and more blitzing: I mentioned this a few posts above.....this exponentially magnifies the impact of Hill and Kelce on the Bills D (as you mention in your post). Your quote of "solving one problem creates others" is spot on!

Bills fans seem to be ignoring these factors, and simply think that "playing better" equates to "these problems have gone away"......news flash: They haven't gone away just because Bills fans want them too

Additionally, Bills fans seem to think that "We can win a shootout....", and maybe they can. But they ignore that they are very one dimensional no differently than the Ravens are one dimension. Both are exceptional in the one dimension they thrive at (Bills passing / Ravens running), but if a team can stop that one dimension, they are sitting ducks.

And much like Bills fans are ignoring the problems I outlined above, they are also ignoring that the Strength of the Chiefs D lines up VERY WELL with the one Dimension the Bills O operates in. The Chiefs Defense is more than capable of taking that one dimension away, or at a minimum enough to capitalize on the sever mismatches the Chiefs offense prevents for the Bills Defense

And at the end of the day, this is the football discussion that all these Bills guys really don't want to have, well, because they can't answer it.

Again, none of this guarantees the Chiefs win.....certainly the Bills are explosive enough and sometimes the balls bounce a funny way, and other times, unexpected things happen.....Any given Sunday right!

But when it comes to both teams bringing their "A" games, there is way too many "what ifs" to expect the Bills to win. I think if the Chiefs play their game, eliminate turnovers, and have everyone healthy, they win, and not even a particularly close game at that.....

Just my $.02
Great breakdown. I think a BIG part of the huge disconnect is how the Chiefs secondary is perceived outside of Kansas City.

People look at raw yardage and remember that 2018 pass D, that was shredded repeatedly.

They don't realize that Spagnuolo's scheme and the talent brought in has drasticaly changed the pass D from a huge weakness to a major strength.

It's not just Sneed being undervalued, either (though he is, drastically). It's also that Ward got some experience and played a lot better, that Breeland is rock solid, that Fenton was a gem of a find last year, that Mathieu is a star and major upgrade, and that Sorenson has been used more appropriately, and that Thornhill has major talent.

I love how physical all these corners are. They fight through WR screens. They hold their edges. Tough.
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:28 PM   #708
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Great breakdown. I think a BIG part of the huge disconnect is how the Chiefs secondary is perceived outside of Kansas City.

People look at raw yardage and remember that 2018 pass D, that was shredded repeatedly.

They don't realize that Spagnuolo's scheme and the talent brought in has drasticaly changed the pass D from a huge weakness to a major strength.

It's not just Sneed being undervalued, either (though he is, drastically). It's also that Ward got some experience and played a lot better, that Breeland is rock solid, that Fenton was a gem of a find last year, that Mathieu is a star and major upgrade, and that Sorenson has been used more appropriately, and that Thornhill has major talent.

I love how physical all these corners are. They fight through WR screens. They hold their edges. Tough.
Here's the issue:

The Chiefs defense gives up quite a few yards through the air.

But they're 5th in the league in INT's.

Turnovers are MUCH more important than yards.
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:32 PM   #709
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The Chiefs d could be better in the redzone, but yards don't matter. You aren't gonna just lock down teams in today's league.

Everyone looks at the Chiefs run D all thru the year then we get to the playoffs and they actually care about stopping the run and poof, teams struggle to really run it on them.

No one learns. Oh well.
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:34 PM   #710
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Who has he played though?

He put up all of those numbers against a lot of mediocre defenses.

If you look at his game logs, he was actually much better at the very beginning of the season, and against some actual competition like the Rams.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/game...298/josh-allen
Can only play who you play. I dont' really care about "who played who" stuff, same as with the Chiefs only "winning by one score". I watched him with my eyes, play very well.

If he plays like he did against Baltimore, Chiefs beat them by 2 scores.
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The Chiefs d could be better in the redzone, but yards don't matter. You aren't gonna just lock down teams in today's league.

Everyone looks at the Chiefs run D all thru the year then we get to the playoffs and they actually care about stopping the run and poof, teams struggle to really run it on them.

No one learns. Oh well.
Exactly.

The Browns were "scary" leading up to the game. Hunt and Chubb were going to destroy the KC defense.

They both averaged 5.3ypc which is really freaking good but you can't run the ball enough when you're down 19 -3 at halftime.
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Great breakdown. I think a BIG part of the huge disconnect is how the Chiefs secondary is perceived outside of Kansas City.

People look at raw yardage and remember that 2018 pass D, that was shredded repeatedly.

They don't realize that Spagnuolo's scheme and the talent brought in has drasticaly changed the pass D from a huge weakness to a major strength.

It's not just Sneed being undervalued, either (though he is, drastically). It's also that Ward got some experience and played a lot better, that Breeland is rock solid, that Fenton was a gem of a find last year, that Mathieu is a star and major upgrade, and that Sorenson has been used more appropriately, and that Thornhill has major talent.

I love how physical all these corners are. They fight through WR screens. They hold their edges. Tough.
And red zone percentage... all damn day with the red zone percentage. No one mentions they're 6th best in red zone attempts against, so it's not like they've given up a crazy number of touchdowns from within the 20 this season, even if the percentage is really bad.
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Can only play who you play. I dont' really care about "who played who" stuff, same as with the Chiefs only "winning by one score". I watched him with my eyes, play very well.

If he plays like he did against Baltimore, Chiefs beat them by 2 scores.
The quality of the competition absolutely matters, man.

I just don't understand how you could dismiss it. That sounds just like Bills fans.

Football doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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Exactly.

The Browns were "scary" leading up to the game. Hunt and Chubb were going to destroy the KC defense.

They both averaged 5.3ypc which is really freaking good but you can't run the ball enough when you're down 19 -3 at halftime.
Pretty much.

Run all you want against Kc. If you have a few bad runs, Chiefs get a stop and you don't score, KC will go score and you'll be behind.

You can't "run it and keep it away" from KC. You have to outscore them.
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That map sucks. Donk country isn’t cheering for the Chiefs. And Minnesota isn’t favoring GB.
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Pretty much.

Run all you want against Kc. If you have a few bad runs, Chiefs get a stop and you don't score, KC will go score and you'll be behind.

You can't "run it and keep it away" from KC. You have to outscore them.
Yep.

For every big run they had, they had one where somebody dropped them for a loss. It's not sustainable, especially when the Chiefs are going to score on 70% of their drives.
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The quality of the competition absolutely matters, man.

I just don't understand how you could dismiss it. That sounds just like Bills fans.

Football doesn't happen in a vacuum.
The Chiefs squeaked out a win against a shitty Falcons team and struggled at home against the Broncos though. What am I supposed to take from those games?

In terms of talking about the MVP or something, sure.

But in terms of what it matters in this matchup, I don't really care about it.
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That map sucks. Donk country isn’t cheering for the Chiefs. And Minnesota isn’t favoring GB.
There is ZERO chance more people in Iowa are rooting for the Packers than the Chiefs.

This is Chiefs country. I see gear everywhere. The Packers don't even register. There's more Bears and Vikings fans here than Packers.
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