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Old 01-21-2019, 09:22 PM  
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"The ball can be moving and touch the ground and it's still possible to be a catch...
Since ****ing when?

In my entire adult life of watching football, through multiple changes of definition on what constitutes a catch, the one thing that has stayed constant is if you have yet to establish possession, and then the ball touches the ground, it's not a catch.

When the **** was possession established on that 3rd down review?

And the fishiness of when Gene Steratorre gets on and the FIRST THING HE SAYS is, "Keep in mind that the ball can still be moving and even touch the ground, and it's still possible for this to be considered a catch..."

I'm not a "this game is rigged" asshole, but I need someone to educate me on this one. I still don't get it, because the CBS crew did a ****ing shitty ass job of explaining it, and to be quite honest, I've never once seen an instance where something like that is considered a catch.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:58 PM   #16
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What is the rationale behind it?
Everyone was complaining about not knowing what a catch was every game, every week. So the league started trying to simplify the rules. The ball being able to touch the ground as long as the player still had control was one of the first changes.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:00 PM   #17
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Since last year after the Jesse James catch. Catch rules were changed in the off season
Yep. That being said, I've still seen it go both ways this year. All it's added is another level of subjectivity.
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What is the rationale behind it?
Because the catch rule was the greatest debate for the last 10 years.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:01 PM   #19
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Honestly though, and I say this with peace and love, the refs did not beat the Chiefs yesterday. Tom Brady didn't even beat the Chiefs. Hell, his interceptions are what kept the Chiefs in it. Reid and Sutton were thoroughly outcoached by Belichik.
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Yep. That being said, I've still seen it go both ways this year. All it's added is another level of subjectivity.
Catches will always be like that now. Having access to instant HD replay and being able to slow things down to .25 speed and zoom 500x in brings a lot of scrutiny to catches. Nothing the league can do to make it better IMO
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:03 PM   #21
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Honestly though, and I say this with peace and love, the refs did not beat the Chiefs yesterday. Tom Brady didn't even beat the Chiefs. Hell, his interceptions are what kept the Chiefs in it. Reid and Sutton were thoroughly outcoached by Belichik.
You can't get outcoached in a game where you lose 31-37. If Belichick had thoroughly outcoached Reid, the chiefs would have never came back to take the lead twice or tie it up at the end of the 4th. If the coin had landed tails, we'd be praising Reid for his halftime adjustments and coming back against Brady and Belichick
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:04 PM   #23
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When that much of the ball touches the ground... no.
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I fully believe that the ball was coming out and if there wasn't the ground right there that the ball slips out. It was obvious to me that the ground helped him catch that and it's another bullshit call that is unbelievable that you can review that and still call it a catch
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I fully believe that the ball was coming out and if there wasn't the ground right there that the ball slips out. It was obvious to me that the ground helped him catch that and it's another bullshit call that is unbelievable that you can review that and still call it a catch
The astonishing part is that the rule is very clear regarding the ground and gaining possession. It's not ambiguous.

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I agreed with all of the final calls on the reviewed plays. The refs blew the roughing the passer penalty on Ford, but mistakes happen. The refs did not decide this game.

A player can clearly be in control of a moving ball throughout the time it touches the ground.
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When that much of the ball touches the ground... no.
I'd say we're going to get an apology letter from the NY office, but evidently the league is lawyering-up and not admitting to anything as it relates to their crappy officials being crappy and looking like they're playing favorites.
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I agreed with all of the final calls on the reviewed plays. The refs blew the roughing the passer penalty on Ford, but mistakes happen. The refs did not decide this game.

A player can clearly be in control of a moving ball throughout the time it touches the ground.
eh, being semi compressed for a millisec between your shoulder pad and the top of your wrist while touching the ground isn't possession, IMO.
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A player can clearly be in control of a moving ball throughout the time it touches the ground.
How? That's not control. If the ball is moving and you never established possession, and then it touches the ground, how the **** is that being clearly in control?
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