***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[wazu]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Some things I've read point to shots hitting blood vessels as the main reason for myocarditis. So who gives you your shot may be pretty damn important.

Don't all shots hit blood vessels?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by wazu

Don't all shots hit blood vessels?

While all shots will pierce some capillaries, the thought is that the shot hitting a vein in the shoulder leads for a more direct path for the drug to reach the heart. If you are injecting it into the muscle itself, you form a quasi depot, which is slowly absorbed by the surrounding vasculature. If you were to accidentally inject into a vein, that will reach the cardiac tissue much faster.

This is why practitioners were taught in the past to aspirate the needle before injecting--to check and make sure that they weren't in a blood vessel. With most IM shots now it isn't considered an issue, but the thought has arisen with these rare cases of myocarditis that aspirating before injecting the needle would avoid injecting the vaccine directly into the bloodstream.

[O.city]

Always aspirate. Bad shit can happen if you don’t.

Ask me how I know

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DaFace

From the article:



So in theory it should bring effectiveness up to the level of the other two. Note that this is just the advisory panel. The FDA has to then make a recommendation, and then the CDC has to weigh in. It's entirely possible that it will be toned down like the others have (e.g., only for high risk). I'm guessing that it'll be approved for everyone 18+, though, given the relatively low effectiveness otherwise.

I can't say I'm looking forward to it. It laid me on my ass for about 36 hours last time. But I'd definitely feel a little better being in crowded areas with it.

The J&J shot did that? I felt zero side effects from it.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

The J&J shot did that? I felt zero side effects from it.

Yep. Got the shot at 6:30pm on a Friday. Felt fine all evening. Woke up around 2am shivering like crazy with a fever of 103.5F. Spent the day Saturday shivering and sore.

Felt completely fine on Sunday aside from feeling a bit fatigued.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yep. Got the shot at 6:30pm on a Friday. Felt fine all evening. Woke up around 2am shivering like crazy with a fever of 103.5F. Spent the day Saturday shivering and sore.

Felt completely fine on Sunday aside from feeling a bit fatigued.

Crazy how much it can differ among people, but I suppose that's been the theme with this virus all along. I'd have a hard time getting in line for a booster if I had gone through that.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Crazy how much it can differ among people, but I suppose that's been the theme with this virus all along. I'd have a hard time getting in line for a booster if I had gone through that.

I'm definitely planning on getting it on a Friday again in case it knocks me out again. But it's just so variable. I've talked to other people who had bad experiences with the initial round of Pfizer and didn't feel a thing with the booster, so who knows?

[TLO]

Probably going to do a flu/covid booster on a Friday in the near future. The 2nd dose of Pfizer knocked me on my ass for a day or so. And I typically get mild symptoms from the flu shot. May as well get them on a Friday, feel crummy for a day or so, then be ready to go back to work Monday.

[stanleychief]

I had no side effects from my J&J shot. Maybe it depends on where it was manufactured. Mine was from a place called 'Placebo'. Said so right on the side of the vial.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by stanleychief

I had no side effects from my J&J shot. Maybe it depends on where it was manufactured. Mine was from a place called 'Placebo'. Said so right on the side of the vial.

[TLO]

Gonna go get boosted on Friday after work.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by TLO

Gonna go get boosted on Friday after work.

No plans on getting boosters for anyone in my household. Maybe if things go crazy again and it seems like the best option then but not now.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by penguinz

No plans on getting boosters for anyone in my household. Maybe if things go crazy again and it seems like the best option then but not now.

Fair enough. The boost in efficacy vs symptomatic illness and the potential to lessen transmission to my fragile population of clients is the reason I'm going for it. If not for my profession, I'd probably skip the booster too.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by TLO

Fair enough. The boost in efficacy vs symptomatic illness and the potential to lessen transmission to my fragile population of clients is the reason I'm going for it. If not for my profession, I'd probably skip the booster too.

Sounds like solid reasons to get boosted.

[lawrenceRaider]

I can't remember if fluvoxamine was mentioned here as a possible COVID treatment, but looks like it passed a larger trial and is seeking NIH and WHO recommendation.

https://news.yahoo.com/cheap-antidep...223735055.html