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Old 05-27-2001, 03:40 PM  
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Ten Wild Predictions for the 2001 Chiefs

Well, its the off season and not much is happening, so might as well stir up some controversy with my wild, highly subjective speculations.
1. Trent Green will be leading the NFL in every passing category except TDs when (God forbid) he gets injured (not necessarily his knee). Todd Collins comes in and picks up right where Trent left off leading the Chiefs to their second consecutive 4,000+ yd season.
2. KC will set a franchise record for TD passes ALLOWED (current record: 25).
3. Donnie Edwards will barely miss being named the AFC Defensive player of the year due to the team's middle-of-the-pack overall defensive ranking. He will win the AFC defensive player of the week no less than twice.
4. Rich Gannon goes down scrambling early in the season as KC sweeps Gruden.
5. Jamar Threatt (currently in NFLE) will emerge as a huge star in the KC interior defensive line.
6. By week 10, Dick Vermiel will be feeling the heated scrutiny of the KC fan base/media reporting. He will keep his cool and his job.
7. Chiefs will be swept by Denver (Gosh, that hurts). Shanny rejoicing now that Gun is gone (Shanny 0-4 vs. Gun). Typical score: Donx 41, Chiefs 36.
8. Bubby retires during camp.
9. Al Saunders looks like, well, a rookie offensive coordinator for the whole month of September, but gets on track due to the suddenly emergent rushing attack, led by...


10. ...an extremely productive RBbC led by Tony Richardson, but featuring EVERY RB in the stable (not my idea! It's History at work!).

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Old 05-29-2001, 11:53 PM   #16
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Brad,

I would like to know how Kobe is immature.

At 22, he shows more poise than athletes who are in their 30s.

I would be even willing to say he is the most mature 22 year old professional athlete in sports.

He has a swagger about himself, but he knows what he wants, and speaks well beyond his years.

In the face of serious criticism all year, Kobe never once fired back at his critics, he just let his play during the playoffs speak. He could of taken shots at Phil Jackson for saying he rigged bball games in high school. He could of slammed the countless media figures who were making him sound like a bad guy.

But he didn't.

That's maturity.

The whole Shaq/Kobe feud was a minor issue, but it became a major issue due to the media. It was blown out of proportion completely.

I wouldn't say both players are great friends. But they respect eachother, and thats all you can ask out of a teammate.

I find it funny how you speak of maturity and then talk about your respect for Karl Malone.

I respect how long Malone has been able to play at a high level, and his ability but thats as far as it goes.

Malone for years has been the master of cheapshots, and dirty play. That is his trademark as much as that fadeaway 15 footer.

The reason Malone and Stockton never griped about who gets the glory is because both never had the ability of a Shaq or Kobe.

Stockton made his mark as a passer, and Malone made his mark with a medium range jumper and in the post.

Thats how they compliment eachother. Stockton is in essence the quarterback and Malone is the receiver. One has to get the ball to the other.

Shaq and Kobe are both prolific scorers in this league. Thats how they have made their reputation. You expect personality conflicts if you have been the go-to guy your whole life.

Thats the nature of competitive sports.

But now both players have found a way to co-exist and could become the most dominant playoff team in NBA history.

As a fan of the Lakers, I'm not ashamed of that.

Malone and Stockton have co-existed forever, and have never been good enough to get a ring. If I was a Jazz fan, that would give me a lot to be ashamed of. Having two of the top 50 players ever on your roster for the last 10+ years, and never have enough juice to win it all.
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Old 05-30-2001, 12:04 AM   #17
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Has Malone lost his temper and acted like a fool?

Yep. Its a shame, but he has. I can't argue that, and it's a big black mark on an otherwise solid personal accomplishment career.

The great thing about Stockton is that he's like an offensive lineman, you know he's doing his job because you don't hear about him. Shooting the three and passing off to the main threat don't pull the media away from physically dominant guys like Kobe/Shaq...Won't happen.

Shaq has impressed me. He's acted as much a jerk as Malone at times, especially in Orlando. But he does seem to have matured greatly since the coach of the century arrived. Kobe has been labeled as immature by teammates and media both. His talent probably is the best in the game, but his ego might be holding him back. He has done an admirable job of keeping composure through this whole magnified media escipade, but I just can't fight the feeling this guy is biding time until Shaq either leaves or allows the young stud his limelight.


It's hard to argue with success, I just don't get the "feeling" from this team that the old Lakers or the earlier Bulls put off...Those at least felt like true teams in every way...
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Old 05-30-2001, 12:26 AM   #18
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Brad,

I would like to know how Kobe is immature.

At 22, he shows more poise than athletes who are in their 30s.

I would be even willing to say he is the most mature 22 year old professional athlete in sports.

He has a swagger about himself, but he knows what he wants, and speaks well beyond his years.

In the face of serious criticism all year, Kobe never once fired back at his critics, he just let his play during the playoffs speak. He could of taken shots at Phil Jackson for saying he rigged bball games in high school. He could of slammed the countless media figures who were making him sound like a bad guy.

But he didn't.

That's maturity.

The whole Shaq/Kobe feud was a minor issue, but it became a major issue due to the media. It was blown out of proportion completely.

I wouldn't say both players are great friends. But they respect eachother, and thats all you can ask out of a teammate.

I find it funny how you speak of maturity and then talk about your respect for Karl Malone.

I respect how long Malone has been able to play at a high level, and his ability but thats as far as it goes.

Malone for years has been the master of cheapshots, and dirty play. That is his trademark as much as that fadeaway 15 footer.

The reason Malone and Stockton never griped about who gets the glory is because both never had the ability of a Shaq or Kobe.

Stockton made his mark as a passer, and Malone made his mark with a medium range jumper and in the post.

Thats how they compliment eachother. Stockton is in essence the quarterback and Malone is the receiver. One has to get the ball to the other.

Shaq and Kobe are both prolific scorers in this league. Thats how they have made their reputation. You expect personality conflicts if you have been the go-to guy your whole life.

Thats the nature of competitive sports.

But now both players have found a way to co-exist and could become the most dominant playoff team in NBA history.

As a fan of the Lakers, I'm not ashamed of that.

Malone and Stockton have co-existed forever, and have never been good enough to get a ring. If I was a Jazz fan, that would give me a lot to be ashamed of. Having two of the top 50 players ever on your roster for the last 10+ years, and never have enough juice to win it all.
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Old 05-30-2001, 06:38 AM   #19
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Brad,

"It's hard to argue with success, I just don't get the "feeling" from this team that the old Lakers or the earlier Bulls put off...Those at least felt like true teams in every way..."

Until recently, I would have to agree with that thought. But the chemistry has changed. I think every team needs that one guy that all the players both like and respect to pull teams together and motivates teammates to submerge their egos for the good of the team.Ususally that player is the team's star. For Chicago, it was MJ. For those previous Lakers teams it was Magic.
For this team, for various reasons, that player is Derek Fisher. He is the heart and soul of the Lakers. It is no coincidence, that this team really came together, and started playing the way it is capable of when Derek Fisher returned to the lineup from an injury that kept him sidelined for the first 62 games.
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Old 05-30-2001, 06:58 AM   #20
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I don't know how this discussion turned into the NBA, but bottom line for me is, you stick with your team and your guys, whether they win or not. For me, that's the Jazz and the Chiefs. Its great to win it all, but if we don't, I don't shift my loyalty to the latest winner or look for a bandwagon to jump on.
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Old 05-30-2001, 09:29 PM   #21
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Karl and Stockton are great players...but they don't know how to win.

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Old 05-30-2001, 11:27 PM   #22
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Karl Malone is the biggest a-hole in basketball.

How many times has he threatened to leave the Jazz because he wasn't getting his props?

He was the jerk that popped off about wanting Magic out of the league when he tested positive for HIV. He wasn't afraid of contracting the disease but wanted to eliminate the Lakers as a threat in the Western Conference.

He is constantly throwing elbows every time he posts up or grabs a board.

I loved the fact that MJ stole the ball from his balding butt in Game #6 at Utah in the closing moments.

I loved it even more when he bricked that 20 footer in Game #5 this year to give the Mavericks the series win.

Now this ingrate will hang around long enough to capture Kareem's All-Time scoring record in two years DESPITE the impossibility of the Jazz every sniffing the NBA Finals again.

Postmark this knucklehead "Return to Sender"!!!
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Old 05-31-2001, 08:16 PM   #23
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Class? Dignity? Citizenship?

I always appreciate in-depth analysis and heart felt opinions like "Karl Malone is the biggest a-hole in the NBA." That's intellectually stimulating.

You don't anything about Karl Malone or his humble beginnings or his personal life and struggles.

I really wish that we could stay on topic and at the very least refrain from drunken boorishness. That's just my preference.

Another prediction for the 2001 Chiefs: they'll attract just as many hollow, vapid, rude and intellectually stunted commentators online as Gunther's Chiefs.

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Old 05-31-2001, 08:19 PM   #24
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If you're calling Gunther's Chiefs hollow, vapid, rude and intellectually stunted, I'd have to disagree with all but the rude and intellectually stunted part.

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Old 05-31-2001, 08:23 PM   #25
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Hmm, and thinking about it, I guess "vapid" fits too.

So how dare you call the Gunther Chiefs "hollow"!!!

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Old 05-31-2001, 08:26 PM   #26
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LOL! Johnny! Why all the negativism (is that a word?)

I'll bet you'll feel pretty dumb if the Chiefs win a Championship with type of philosophy? Would you fold if the Chiefs won a title with this type of play or still stick to Proctor Ball? :D ;)

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Old 05-31-2001, 08:59 PM   #27
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A better question is will you still be handing me advice if the Chiefs finish 7-9, don't improve on the league's 5th best passing offense and 8th best O overall, and give up a franchise record 26+ TD passes?

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Old 05-31-2001, 10:25 PM   #28
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KCJohnny,

Hmmm... I did not see you refute any of my points about your "humble" Karl Malone.

I guess it is better to attack the person making the points rather than offer a counterpoint to the opinions.

BTW, I think I saw Malone pulling up in his big rig last week at the Staples Center. Reports have it that he was late AGAIN on his "deliveries".

"Vapid" and "Hollow" would explain the number of Championship Rings on his fingers.

"Vapid" and "Hollow" would explain his ignorant comments about Magic Johnson and his HIV status.

"Vapid" and "Hollow" would accurately detail his threats to leave the Jazz every 2-3 years in his weak attempts to squeeze more dollars out of the Jazz organization.

The only thing that's "humble" about Malone is the pie he has been eating after coming up empty against the Mavericks. How do the Jazz lose a 2-0 series lead with this icon?

But let's watch Karl hang around and attempt to break Kareem's record while piddling around with a Jazz team that is past its prime.

At least Kareem was winning Championships at 40 while amassing his stats.
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Old 06-01-2001, 12:56 AM   #29
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Chiefs defense allows 21 or less passing TDs

Chiefs defense has 5 more sacks than last season

Chiefs defense produces 10 more turnovers than last season

Chiefs defense jells by midseason and allows an average of 14 points per game last 8 games

Offense has balance for the first time in three seasons and exceeds 6000 yards and 425 points (note original 500 points was math done in head error)

Chiefs have a 1200 yard rusher

Chiefs have 4 offensive and 1 defensive player make Pro Bowl

All fans will wonder what took so long to fire the three stooges after seeing the Chiefs with actual game plans each game and ability to adjust to the other team each game.

Fans wonder where this team that averages 20 points a game in first half came from, is it really the Chiefs playing agressive offensive football in the first half?

Fans actually enjoy seeing offense on the field on third down situations.

Fans are shocked when head coach says meaningful things without 30 to 40 uses of the word I per interview. Fans are also amazed when head coach actually performs on things he says prior to season, and games.

Fans are not ashamed of a single performance even in the losses.

Fans like and cheer the QB and admire his courage under fire, ability to make reads, ability to see all the receivers, and his on the field leadership.

Fans wonder what took this team so long to drop the ridiculous RBBC with situational Running Backs.

Opponents are shocked when they do not know what type of play will be run by the offensive personel on the field.

Opposing coaches do not out perform the Chiefs coaching staff every single game

By midseason sportswriters and broadcasters are interested in the Chiefs

I do not dread facing any team at any time during the season, and that is the best thing of all!

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Old 06-01-2001, 01:35 AM   #30
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Sorry Proctor but we got into this over at Pigskin and I still think the Millenium version of Gillmans running offense is based upon 1 RB being able to both run the football inside and outside as well as being able to catch balls equally as well. I'm afraid when and if you add a 2nd RB to the mix to split carries it makes the running game more of a focal point and advantage especially with the likes of Holmes and Richardson but it would deplete the advantages of a passing game that the offense will rely on to make the offense scheme effective.
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