***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah because no other countries economy went to shit during this and we would prosper with hundreds of thousands dying and getting sick.

Yes, reread the post I responded to, he was stating reopening is a bad decision. We've flattened the curve with a lot less deaths than was predicted by the models WITH mitigation, and the reopening plan is pretty solid. Do you think we should should continue the stay at home orders until we have 0 new cases or deaths?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Yes, reread the post I responded to, he was stating reopening is a bad decision. We've flattened the curve with a lot less deaths than was predicted by the models WITH mitigation, and the reopening plan is pretty solid. Do you think we should should continue the stay at home orders until we have 0 new cases or deaths?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Yes, reread the post I responded to, he was stating reopening is a bad decision. We've flattened the curve with a lot less deaths than was predicted by the models WITH mitigation, and the reopening plan is pretty solid. Do you think we should should continue the stay at home orders until we have 0 new cases or deaths?

The public health stance is to wait until you have two consecutive weeks of declining percent-positive cases as a percentage of overall testing.

With that said, and to play Devil's Advocate, which is worse?

Most models that I've seen have shown that if New York had enacted measures two weeks earlier, their deaths would be between 50-80% lower.

Now, you can't get those two weeks back, but if you wait an extra two weeks is there any data that suggests that X number of businesses are more likely to fail over waiting for that period compared to opening now?

Also while you can't resurrect the dead, there does remain a possibility that jobs lost are not lost forever. So when talking about job losses, shouldn't we also consider how many of those jobs are gone forever vs. displaced for a while vs. gone to be replaced by a shittier job? There are degrees to this. The small business owner that is forced into bankruptcy and the single mom trying to feed her kids that gets laid off is hurt far more than the part time server who loses their college drinking money.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I thought KCs mayor did a great job explaining why and how KCs new cases are down to about 72ish this week. Social distancing has worked. The first stimulus didnt go fair enough we need a 2nd one that specifically targets small business and can buy a year or so to get their house in order.

With that said get more testing and hopefully some medical breakthroughs by fall cities like KC will be kicking ass vs this thing.

Can buy a year of what?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The public health stance is to wait until you have two consecutive weeks of declining percent-positive cases as a percentage of overall testing.

With that said, and to play Devil's Advocate, which is worse?

Most models that I've seen have shown that if New York had enacted measures two weeks earlier, their deaths would be between 50-80% lower.

Now, you can't get those two weeks back, but if you wait an extra two weeks is there any data that suggests that X number of businesses are more likely to fail over waiting for that period compared to opening now?

Also while you can't resurrect the dead, there does remain a possibility that jobs lost are not lost forever. So when talking about job losses, shouldn't we also consider how many of those jobs are gone forever vs. displaced for a while vs. gone to be replaced by a shittier job? There are degrees to this. The small business owner that is forced into bankruptcy and the single mom trying to feed her kids that gets laid off is hurt far more than the part time server who loses their college drinking money.

It’s just hard to see a one size fits all thing for this. There are counties around us that have 1 or 2 cases both recovered. I dunno that they need to stay locked down

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Can buy a year of what?

I wasn't even going to go there. If he thinks a one time stimulus or even two time that "focuses on small businesses" is going to carry them for a year then there is no point in even going there.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

It’s just hard to see a one size fits all thing for this. There are counties around us that have 1 or 2 cases both recovered. I dunno that they need to stay locked down

That's because there isn't one.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The public health stance is to wait until you have two consecutive weeks of declining percent-positive cases as a percentage of overall testing.

With that said, and to play Devil's Advocate, which is worse?

Most models that I've seen have shown that if New York had enacted measures two weeks earlier, their deaths would be between 50-80% lower.

Now, you can't get those two weeks back, but if you wait an extra two weeks is there any data that suggests that X number of businesses are more likely to fail over waiting for that period compared to opening now?

Also while you can't resurrect the dead, there does remain a possibility that jobs lost are not lost forever. So when talking about job losses, shouldn't we also consider how many of those jobs are gone forever vs. displaced for a while vs. gone to be replaced by a shittier job? There are degrees to this. The small business owner that is forced into bankruptcy and the single mom trying to feed her kids that gets laid off is hurt far more than the part time server who loses their college drinking money.

Jobs are lost forever... Seriously, you think we can keep printing stimulus money... We flattened the curve way better than the models showed, we were told hospitals would be overrun and folks would die without ventilators... We did it. Now we move forward with policy that protects the most vulnerable, per the guidelines. However, some states are deciding to stay shut down. California is closing all their beaches starting May 1st. Does this make sense? Is the public going to be more responsible and follow social distancing if the guidelines are sensible or non-sensible.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Jobs are lost forever... Seriously, you think we can keep printing stimulus money... We flattened the curve way better than the models showed, we were told hospitals would be overrun and folks would die without ventilators... We did it. Now we move forward with policy that protects the most vulnerable, per the guidelines. However, some states are deciding to stay shut down. California is closing all their beaches starting May 1st. Does this make sense? Is the public going to be more responsible and follow social distancing if the guidelines are sensible or non-sensible.

Newsome is butt hurt. That being said some of the states are going to push too hard for too long and it's going to backlash. Instead of getting people to cooperate they are going to end up pissing them off.

[TinyEvel]

Mayor Garcetti of los Angeles was just on TV saying the biggest dangers are people who have the Covid but show no symptoms and go into the general population as "Super Spreaders"


Trust me, "Super Spreaders" is not a DVD you want to rent in certain parts of Los Angeles. Looking at you, Koreatown.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by O.city

Can buy a year of what?

Buy a year of staying in business.

This first and foremost gives the public more trust because by then we will either 1) have a strategy in place to target the most likely to suffer severe consequnces from the infection 2) treatment to atleast limit the fatalities and infections 3) a vaccine.

Any of those scenario provides more confidence into the consumer. Other ways the idea of the economy opening and coming back is pure fantasy. Without that you can kiss the small businesses goodbye. They need a prolonged bailout.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I wasn't even going to go there. If he thinks a one time stimulus or even two time that "focuses on small businesses" is going to carry them for a year then there is no point in even going there.

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
This virus has been here since November at least if not October. Would you really be surprised after almost 6 months if 100,000 people in Ohio had it?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
We are jumping off the ledge. Closing schools for months. Shutting down all restaurants and bars. Canceling all sports.

It is just starting to feel like people are panicking for the sake of panicking. I mean in WA most and I mean almost all of the deaths are from a nursing home or nursing homes. So you shut down schools for 2 months?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Meanwhile, no one anywhere else in the world is having the problems Italy is having. Why is that?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
I have been hearing "we are headed to being like Italy" for the last week. I am starting to doubt that more and more. Hopefully the people saying this are very wrong.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat View Post
It's just the cold. People are dying the health care system could collapse and the market is tanking. It's just hysteria! Everything is fine.
It is hysteria you ****ing twat. Evidenced not by the lack of orange juice, vitamins or Airborne but the lack of ****ing toilet paper.

And you are the kind people that are driving it like it's some kind of ****ing movie or episode of the Walking Dead.

No one said everything is fine. Just some of us are objective enough to understand that it not the end of the world you are desperately trying to make it out to be.


All quotes a month + ago

#petethings

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by 2112

That’s great news. Have you heard anything more about mass production issues?

I've heard zero from my buddy at Mayo since then.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
This virus has been here since November at least if not October. Would you really be surprised after almost 6 months if 100,000 people in Ohio had it?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
We are jumping off the ledge. Closing schools for months. Shutting down all restaurants and bars. Canceling all sports.

It is just starting to feel like people are panicking for the sake of panicking. I mean in WA most and I mean almost all of the deaths are from a nursing home or nursing homes. So you shut down schools for 2 months?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Meanwhile, no one anywhere else in the world is having the problems Italy is having. Why is that?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
I have been hearing "we are headed to being like Italy" for the last week. I am starting to doubt that more and more. Hopefully the people saying this are very wrong.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat View Post
It's just the cold. People are dying the health care system could collapse and the market is tanking. It's just hysteria! Everything is fine.
It is hysteria you ****ing twat. Evidenced not by the lack of orange juice, vitamins or Airborne but the lack of ****ing toilet paper.

And you are the kind people that are driving it like it's some kind of ****ing movie or episode of the Walking Dead.

No one said everything is fine. Just some of us are objective enough to understand that it not the end of the world you are desperately trying to make it out to be.


All quotes a month + ago

#petethings

Has Pete commented on the Sun/Mon #'s? I wanna see what the little weasel wrote.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Has Pete commented on the Sun/Mon #'s? I wanna see what the little weasel wrote.

Who knows. Several members and a few mods have called his dangerous bullshit out yet when I do it 1 mod continues to warn both of us and then Pete goes the personal attack route called out by a few posters. Shit is jokes. Non political thread then links some shit to Glenn Beck lol