Chiefs You really dont want Cowher? - Page 4

whatsmynameagain · 01-19-2009, 04:26 PM

id think now, more than ever, cowher is the best coaching candidate. after all, both of his old coordinators are coaching both teams in the super bowl. the marty comparisons are lame but i honestly feel marty wouldve broken the cherry had aj smith died or just kept marty.

kstater · 01-19-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blueballs

Shanahan
and by your argument the chances of Cowher getting back are slim to none

Holy crap, a coherent BB post.

blueballs · 01-19-2009, 05:30 PM

there's a method
to the maddness

**MahiMike** · 01-19-2009, 05:34 PM

The only retread I'd take is Shanahan. I'd rather get a young guy that Pioli can take under his wing and train.

**MahiMike** · 01-19-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Joe Gibbs was no Joe Gibbs because Daniel Snyder was Daniel Snyder. Much like Bill Parcells was no Bill Parcells because Jerry Jones was Jerry Jones.

Snyder gave him an open checkbook. All the retreads got old. The system has passed them by.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-19-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Snyder gave him an open checkbook. All the retreads got old. The system has passed them by.

Snyder didn't give him an open checkbook. He was an overly involved owner who had no idea how to get good players for his coaches. Everyone in Washington is well aware of this. Besides, for what it's worth, Gibbs was also away from the game for a good 10 years or so. Cowher has only been away from the game for 2 seasons, and even still, he is still heavily involved with analyzing the game. Cowher's philosophy is still very fresh.

New coaches bust at a really, really high rate. Retread coaches tend to have a pretty high success rate, especially since most of them learn from the mistakes their first time around. Sure, you have coaches like Sean Payton and Eric Mangini and Jack Del Rio who dazzle you with exciting results at first, but how many of these guys have proven they will ever be long-term solutions?

If we're talking about building for the long-term, fresh new coaches who enter with no experience have a pretty low rate of success making the Super Bowl within 5 years. This year is an exception to the rule.

philfree · 01-19-2009, 05:55 PM

No! Way! On Shanahan and I'd accpect Cowher but IMO we don't need to hire one of the great coaches from the past we need to find the next great HC who has his Championships infront of him.

PhilFree

EyePod · 01-19-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

No, it really isn't.

Average-wise it probably is.

Brock · 01-19-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Average-wise it probably is.

Average-wise, Marty Schottenheimer is a HOF coach.

**007** · 01-19-2009, 06:51 PM

I don't hate him. But I don't want him.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-19-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

No! Way! On Shanahan and I'd accpect Cowher but IMO we don't need to hire one of the great coaches from the past we need to find the next great HC who has his Championships infront of him.

PhilFree

I understand why people think this, but I think most people underestimate how many of these coaches end up busting after three years. There's a lot to be said for experience. If you're worried about old coaches not knowing new ideas, then you bring in strong coordinators that can do that for him.

I think most new coaches see a lot of success their first 2 years either through borrowed talent (i.e. Callahan's Super Bowl in Oakland) or because of the freshness and novelty of new ideas (i.e. Sparano's wildcat offense). Most of them end up getting stuck and fired within 4-5 years. When they're fired, you usually have to blow the team up and wait another 3 years on a rebuild.

But when it comes to long-term success, you know Holmgren and Cowher will build a terrific team because they've done it so many times. You can say with almost complete certainty that both of them will build a playoff team. If they don't, they'll leave a really good team for the next coach who comes in (i.e. Cowher and Tomlin).

**the Talking Can** · 01-19-2009, 07:34 PM

Pittsburgh hires young unproven HCs....Cowher then Tomlin

the lesson we learn from that is to keep hiring retreads??

hello, McFly?

chiefsngop · 01-19-2009, 07:43 PM

I want a whole new direction for Kansas City. Two decades under the same GM with no results makes me feel that way.

So I don't want the new HC to have had any ties at all to Kansas City in the past, I want Pioli and a new coach with a whole new mentality, nothing from the past.

That said, I don't understand all the hate on older coaches who have been around the block.

They aren't athletes, you don't have to worry about age leading to injuries.

As long as they aren't senile, and are willing to still be innovative and not cling to tired shcemes and philosophies, I don't see the problem.

Hell younger coaches can be too set in their ways, look at Herm Edwards. He only has two short stints as a HC, and yet he's so obsessed with the Tampa 2 it handcuffs any defense he touches.

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chiefsngop Starter Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	I want a whole new direction for Kansas City. Two decades under the same GM with no results makes me feel that way. So I don't want the new HC to have had any ties at all to Kansas City in the past, I want Pioli and a new coach with a whole new mentality, nothing from the past. That said, I don't understand all the hate on older coaches who have been around the block. They aren't athletes, you don't have to worry about age leading to injuries. As long as they aren't senile, and are willing to still be innovative and not cling to tired shcemes and philosophies, I don't see the problem. Hell younger coaches can be too set in their ways, look at Herm Edwards. He only has two short stints as a HC, and yet he's so obsessed with the Tampa 2 it handcuffs any defense he touches. __________________ We'll be fine. At least Carl Peterson's 5 year plan is finally completed.
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