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Old 02-08-2021, 10:03 AM  
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Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate
In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?
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Old 02-09-2021, 08:41 PM   #166
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Last year says otherwise.

Last year's line wasn't perfect but they DID beat the 49ers, who had by far the best pass rush in the league.

The sky is not falling. They don't need 5 new starters. They need a couple and they need better depth. They need everybody to stay healthy.

Take a deep breath man, it's nearly as bad as you're making out to be. Yes, it was embarrassing but it's going to be when you're playing in the Super Bowl with your starting center and 4 backups.
And as I've said multiple times already this assumption that Fisher and Schwartz will just ride in on white horses next season ready to save the OL is ****ing bananas to me. I certainly hope the FO doesn't operate under that assumption for Mahomes sake.
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Old 02-09-2021, 08:42 PM   #167
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And as I've said multiple times already this assumption that Fisher and Schwartz will just ride in on white horses next season ready to save the OL is ****ing bananas to me. I certainly hope the FO doesn't operate under that assumption for Mahomes sake.
Well, Mitch is definitely not riding in on any horses.
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Old 02-09-2021, 08:44 PM   #168
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And as I've said multiple times already this assumption that Fisher and Schwartz will just ride in on white horses next season ready to save the OL is ****ing bananas to me. I certainly hope the FO doesn't operate under that assumption for Mahomes sake.
They won't. Relax.

I'm sure they know Schwartz is questionable to even come back at all.

And I'm sure they'll have a contingency plan if they need to sub for Fisher for a few weeks to start the season. And they'll certainly have a plan if it looks like he won't be back at all.

Free agency doesn't start for another month. Draft visits haven't started yet. They need to figure out what's up with Schwartz and what they're going to do about Fisher's contract. Once they've done that, I'm sure they put a plan in place to address it.

I mean, what makes anyone think they're gong to stand pat after what they did after the AFCCG?

They're going to be aggressive, that's Veach's MO. That doesn't mean they're going to overhaul the entire offensive line. That's cost prohibitive. It's probably a 2-season project at this point but they'll make moves.
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They won't. Relax.

I'm sure they know Schwartz is questionable to even come back at all.

And I'm sure they'll have a contingency plan if they need to sub for Fisher for a few weeks to start the season. And they'll certainly have a plan if it looks like he won't be back at all.

Free agency doesn't start for another month. Draft visits haven't started yet. They need to figure out what's up with Schwartz and what they're going to do about Fisher's contract. Once they've done that, I'm sure they put a plan in place to address it.

I mean, what makes anyone think they're gong to stand pat after what they did after the AFCCG?

They're going to be aggressive, that's Veach's MO. That doesn't mean they're going to overhaul the entire offensive line. That's cost prohibitive. It's probably a 2-season project at this point but they'll make moves.
Nah, I don't agree. After that disaster of a performance Veach is going to treat that OL like the 2018 defense. Complete overhaul as fast as possible. Not wasting the rest of Mahomes cheap seasons with an OL group like that.
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Old 02-09-2021, 08:53 PM   #171
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Nah, I don't agree. After that disaster of a performance Veach is going to treat that OL like the 2018 defense. Complete overhaul as fast as possible. Not wasting the rest of Mahomes cheap seasons with an OL group like that.
They didn't replace an entire unit. Through a combination of free agency and the draft, they changed out several pieces for sure but they didn't turn over the entire thing.

We're not going to have 5 new starting OL next year. It's not happening.
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They didn't replace an entire unit. Through a combination of free agency and the draft, they changed out several pieces for sure but they didn't turn over the entire thing.

We're not going to have 5 new starting OL next year. It's not happening.
We'll see. If they decide behind the scenes that Fisher and Schwartz are done it's going to be pretty damn close.
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Recovery time is about 9 months.

He’ll probably start the season on PUP, but he could be back by October.

They obviously need to prepare for the worst, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say he should be back at some point.
Ortho websites say that it can be anywhere from 9 to 15 months and that it comes with a 26 to 39% never return to play. Looking at various ortho websites the mean is 339 days after the day of surgery to recover out of 71 players tracked.
We have a couple of examples of how these work out. Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry. I don't see how this team should move forward with the thought that Fisher is going to be back this year or even then that he would be the same player. That same player that then would be a FA.
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Ortho websites say that it can be anywhere from 9 to 15 months and that it comes with a 26 to 39% never return to play. Looking at various ortho websites the mean is 339 days after the day of surgery to recover out of 71 players tracked.
We have a couple of examples of how these work out. Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry. I don't see how this team should move forward with the thought that Fisher is going to be back this year or even then that he would be the same player. That same player that then would be a FA.
What part of “prepare for the worst” did you not understand?
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What part of “prepare for the worst” did you not understand?
Where did I say you were wrong?
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We'll see. If they decide behind the scenes that Fisher and Schwartz are done it's going to be pretty damn close.
Im guessing we can pencil in Allegretti, LDT, and Niang as starters for Week 1.

I think we’ll sign a FA Mike Remmers-type tackle to start until Fisher is back.

I also think we draft a center or guard in the mid rounds. Maybe Allegretti moves over to center.

Wouldn’t expect much more of a change than that.
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And as I've said multiple times already this assumption that Fisher and Schwartz will just ride in on white horses next season ready to save the OL is ****ing bananas to me. I certainly hope the FO doesn't operate under that assumption for Mahomes sake.
Fisher tore his Achilles. He didn’t ****ing die.

He’ll be back by Thanksgiving at the worst.

Get that ****er ready for the playoffs and let’s ride.
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