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Old 04-03-2016, 09:48 AM  
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And so it begins: The Royals' second straight attempt to repeat as AL Champions, and first attempt to repeat as World Series champions.

In this thread, we'll track all non-gameday action. Roster moves, prospect news, etc.

I'll start the thread as usual, with division rivals thoughts. I still like KC to repeat as AL Central champs. Here's how I see the rest of it shaking out:

2) Indians - they have the pitching (and seem to have at least semi-Kluber-ed Cody Anderson, who added 3 mph to his fastball in the offseason). Will the offense hold up? I think this is a team that ends up looking a lot like the 2014 Royals. Francisco Lindor will solidify their IF defense over the full season, and is a help with the bat. I think this club is still a year away from really breaking through - the offense still has a lot of question marks - but I like them to nab a wildcard spot.

Key Player(s): Michael Brantley. When Brantley returns - and how he hits when he does - will be critical to the Indians' ability to be good enough on offense.

Jason Kipnis. Kipnis has been an enigmatic offensive performer for the past several years. If he finally has a good offensive campaign from start to finish, Cleveland could make real noise.

Something of interest to me: For all the acclaim the Twins' farm system gets, I look at the Indians young players, and would much rather have them. Brad Zimmer is going to be a very good all-around CF. Clint Frazier has huge power potential and should arrive soon (2017). Lindor is a young stud.

3) Tigers - Old and dependent on a few stars. If Verlander and Sanchez are healthy and effective, they will be playoff contenders. I'm sure JD Martinez will continue to hit roid-aided bombs. I'm also pretty sure Victor Martinez's days as a huge power threat are gone.

Key player: Justin Verlander. Detroit people would have you believe he figured out how to succeed without his big fastball in September of last year. If that's true, and he returns to dominant form, Detroit will likely contend again.

Something of interest to me: Will Jose Iglesias stay healthy and not try to kill teammates in the dugout? His defense makes the whole group much better.

4) Twins - They won't lead the division or be in playoff contention for as long this year, but Minnesota will avoid the cellar.

Key Player: Miguel Sano. Huge power, huge K rate. Can he continue to drive the ball and be a plus offensive player? Probably needs to cut that 35 percent K percentage to do so.

Something of interest to me: Will teams challenge Sano inside with hard stuff? Working away, away, just lets his power play up. Also - will Mike Berardino continue to be the biggest beat writer homer in MLB?

5) White Sox - still managed by a shitty manager who can't control his clubhouse (The blame for the LaRoche thing really should fall on him, not the GM). Still have a shitty overall defense and a lot of douchebags on the team. They will once again look better on paper than they actually perform.

Key player: Carlos Rodon. The White Sox need Rodon to take a big step forward to make an actual move this season. He's got the talent...

And, as always, here are the prospects.

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Old 06-04-2016, 02:13 PM   #1576
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I wouldn't part with the money or the prospects it would take to get Shields.
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:17 PM   #1577
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We'll see. A few of my ChiSox friends are going apeshit because it's rumored they'll be sending over one of their top two prospects in exchange. Sox might be going for WS or bust with this one but Shields likely won't cover the very real holes on that roster.

His numbers since 2015 have been much more Jeremy Guthrie than 13-14 Shields.
Uh.....Jeremy Guthrie??? Shields went 13-7 last year with a 3.91 ERA and 216k. Not sure I'd use Batting Practice Guthrie as the right comp.


He's had 1 terrible start this year. It happens. His first 10 starts he had a 3.05 ERA.
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:43 PM   #1578
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Uh.....Jeremy Guthrie??? Shields went 13-7 last year with a 3.91 ERA and 216k. Not sure I'd use Batting Practice Guthrie as the right comp.


He's had 1 terrible start this year. It happens. His first 10 starts he had a 3.05 ERA.
Jeremy Guthrie's 2014 FIP: 4.32
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:13 PM   #1579
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:20 PM   #1580
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:21 PM   #1581
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:24 PM   #1582
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As much as it sucks being in a small market, it sure has saved us from doling out some terrible contracts over the years - Omar notwithstanding. Seems like the teams that really get hosed are the wannabe-rich teams like the Padres. There's NY/Bos and the two LA teams, then a second tier of wannabes like SD, Detroit and Philly who are getting destroyed by contracts right now.
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:26 PM   #1583
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Man, not a bad deal for the Sox at all. I'm still not convinced that Shields is any more than JGuts type innings eater at this point, but he'll still round out their rotation & provide BP relief for a very reasonable price.

P.S. - S/O to the Padres owner for gutting Shields' value this week and to Preller for demonstrating his typical incompetence.
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:27 PM   #1584
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:32 PM   #1585
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I always like Shields for his part in the turn around. That said, I hope we go Mariners on him.
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Man. AJ Preller is ****inb awful.

They must be in love with Tatis, because Johnson is garbage.

At this point, KC should shift focus and see what they can get Pomeranz for. Preller apparently is in sell-low mode.

That's the type of return I would have expected if San Diego didn't eat any cash at all.

Tatis is OK, but he was like No 25-30 in most international prospect rankings last year and is a LONG ways away.

Shit, at this rate, KC could probably get Kemp and Pomeranz for Bonifacio and not much else.


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A week after talks between the Padres and White Sox regarding James Shields began gaining “significant momentum,” the two sides have officially reached a deal. The veteran right-hander and cash (reportedly $31MM of the remaining $58MM on his contract) will head to Chicago in exchange for fellow righty Erik Johnson and shortstop prospect Fernando Tatis Jr., Padres general manager A.J. Preller announced.

Since beginning the season with a red-hot 19-8 mark, the White Sox have fallen to 29-26 and have dropped to third place in the AL Central, though they’re only 1 1/2 games behind the first-place Royals. While their starters entered Saturday with the majors’ eighth-lowest ERA (3.61) and seventh-best fWAR (5.7), their pre-Shields rotation was a top-heavy group. Aside from superstar Chris Sale and the underrated Jose Quintana, who has posted ace-like numbers this year, the White Sox haven’t gotten overly impressive production from any of their other starters.

With Shields aboard, the expectation is that either Mat Latos or Miguel Gonzalez will lose his spot in the rotation. Regardless of whether the White Sox demote Latos or Gonzalez, their top four will likely consist of Sale, Quintana, Shields and Carlos Rodon as long as all four are healthy. Whether Shields will stay in that top four beyond 2016 is up in the air, though, as he could opt out of the final two years of his contract at season’s end. That would mean leaving $42MM on the table, however.


Shields, 34, isn’t the pitcher he was during his best years with the Rays and Royals, but he remains a competent innings eater who’s on pace to exceed the 200-inning plateau and surpass the 30-start barrier for the 11th straight season. That aside, Shields does come with red flags. After a dreadful final start with the Padres, Shields’ ERA (4.28) is at its highest since 2010. Further, his strikeout rate – which spiked to a personal-best 9.61 per nine innings last year – has regressed to 7.62 (closer to his 7.84 career average) and the control that he displayed in his earlier days has declined. Shields’ walk rate is at 3.61 per nine innings, which is in line with last year’s 3.6, and his velocity has dipped. To Shields’ credit, he has long been a capable ground-ball generator – at 48 percent this year, there’s no sign he’s slowing down in that area. That should help his cause as he shifts to the hitter-friendly confines of U.S. Cellular Field, but he does have the third-highest home run rate among qualified starters since last season (16.9 percent).

For the Padres, this is undoubtedly a disappointing ending to a short-lived experiment. Shields joined the Friars on a lucrative long-term deal as a free agent in 2015, at which point the club gave up the 13th overall pick in that June’s draft to sign him. With Shields in the fold, the Padres had designs on competing for a playoff spot. They instead finished a disappointing 74-88, though, and have begun this season 22-34. San Diego is now rebuilding, so keeping Shields around wouldn’t have made sense.

The 26-year-old Johnson, who’s the more established player the Padres got for Shields, could figure into their rotation at some point. Johnson has posted a 4.50 ERA, 7.1 K/9 and 4.5 BB/9 across 98 major league innings. In a 523 2/3-frame minor league sample size, Johnson’s strikeout rate (7.8) hasn’t looked much different, though he has walked fewer batters (3.1) while working to a terrific 3.23 ERA.

Tatis, meanwhile, signed with the White Sox for $700K as a 16-year-old last summer. The Dominican native is the son of former big leaguer Fernando Tatis, and Ben Badler of Baseball America wrote at the time of his signing that the 6-foot-1, 175-pounder pairs power potential on offense with a good arm on defense. Tatis, therefore, could potentially serve as a third baseman or outfielder in the majors.

Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported May 28 that the two teams were discussing a Shields trade, and he confirmed the return for the Padres today. Bob Nightengale of USA Today noted earlier today that a deal was close. FanRag Sports Jon Heyman then reported that the framework of a deal was agreed upon. Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago had Johnson going to San Diego. Chris Cotillo of SB Nation reported that the trade was done. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported the amount of money the White Sox will receive in the trade.

So the White Sox are effectively getting Shields on a 3-year, $27m deal. For the innings Shields consistently generates, that's good value.

Ventura said Shields expected to join club Tues or Weds.

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