Chiefs ‘Chiefs are a regression candidate in 2018,’ says Washington Post writer - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 01-12-2018, 02:42 PM

****ing east-cost media elite. Dude is ignorant about our salary cap situation.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

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After the Chiefs and three other teams were knocked out of the playoff field last weekend, a Washington Post writer ranked the chances for improvement next season for each franchise.

Mike Renner wrote that the Chiefs have the worst chance of those four teams (the others are the Panthers, Rams and Bills) to be better next season.

Renner began by saying the Chiefs defense lacked depth and many of the starters received “subpar grades.”

“Even former all-pro safety Eric Berry is no lock to return to his previous form,” Renner wrote. “He’ll turn 30 next year and is rehabbing a torn Achilles. Tamba Hali (34 years old) and Derrick Johnson (35) are squarely in the twilight of their careers.

“The question now becomes, how do they restock? They’ve struck out mightily outside of their top picks in the draft, and their cap situation is one of the worst in the league. As it stands, they’re currently over the projected cap in 2018. Even after some cap-shedding maneuvers, it’s impossible to think free agency is a realistic option for them. It also means that even after a career-high 87.2 grade from Alex Smith, he and his $20.6 million cap hit next season could be out the door. With the uncertainty at QB and a declining defense, the Chiefs are a regression candidate in 2018.”

If you were wondering, there is no mention of Patrick Mahomes.

While down on the Chiefs, Renner is bullish on the Rams’ chances. You can read more here.

Best22 · 01-13-2018, 02:23 PM

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Nothing to get into a twist over this information. Look at the past several decades and how many superbowl projected teams are listed? How many? The Chiefs are what they are...get your hopes up then crash them down to earth in a brilliant burning array of flames.

No one expects a Superbowl in 2018. No first year starting quarterback does that

But 2019 and beyond? The sky is the limit. For the first time ever we have a QBOTF, instead of another franchises recycling.

ping2000 · 01-13-2018, 04:18 PM

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It's not fair but Mahomes will either be the "Chosen One" or this thing goes down in flames...

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ping2000

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

St Patrick does NOT bless you

ping2000 · 01-13-2018, 04:30 PM

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St Patrick does NOT bless you

If someone could provide any reason for hope I'd be glad to listen. I'm 52 years old. Tired of waiting. Same shit every year.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 04:35 PM

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If someone could provide any reason for hope I'd be glad to listen. I'm 52 years old. Tired of waiting. Same shit every year.

I'm only 5 years behind you, and the reason for hope is crystal clear

Never been so sure about a football player for any team, and that is an absolute no hyperbole, straight from the heart take... Mahomes will be the greatest thing that has happened to the Chiefs since the late 60s

Not blowing smoke, no joke... this kid is everything we've been waiting for, I'd bet anything on it

NJChiefsFan · 01-13-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

There are some things about this team that only true diehard fans can understand. People who actually watch each game and thoroughly observe the players.

The truth is, we are about to clear a ton of cap space that is essentially dead weight anyways. We aren't having to cut major contributors that we can't replace.

So you've got Veach set to take some portion of his $30+M in cap space and devote it directly to key needs that can be upgraded pretty easily. You've got the draft, which we should have more picks in once the Smith trade occurs, to directly devote those resources to upgrading on defense quickly. Maybe offense in some spots.

Whoever the guy is who wrote this just doesn't see the big picture, like most talking heads. He's looking at names and numbers and assuming the Chiefs are in a black hole, when they really aren't.

The 53 should absolutely be better in '18.

You've mentioned it a couple of times and it's true and a little encouraging. The players we need to replace with potential FA/rookies have been so bad that anything should be an upgrade.

Anything we get opposite Houston next year is an improvement over this year. It also shouldn't be hard to improve the #2 CB position.

Upgrading at G and DL will probably take more skill by Veach considering we aren't bare at those positions, but do need improvement.

NJChiefsFan · 01-13-2018, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ping2000

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-13-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a QB to let it fly a little more.

stumppy · 01-13-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

You've mentioned it a couple of times and it's true and a little encouraging. The players we need to replace with potential FA/rookies have been so bad that anything should be an upgrade.

Anything we get opposite Houston next year is an improvement over this year. It also shouldn't be hard to improve the #2 CB position.

Upgrading at G and DL will probably take more skill by Veach considering we aren't bare at those positions, but do need improvement.

I swear if they don't do something about the #2 CB my head will explode.

Best22 · 01-13-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ping2000

Andy will ruin him. That and our boring ass new offensive coordinator that will learn on the job and suck. Not to mention Pops hasn't been fired so the efense will suck again. All of Andy's former coaches will win before he does. We are the shit hole of the NFL. Yes, I am not optimistic.

Reid won more playoff games in Philly than this pathetic Chiefs franchise has in its entire existence

Andy in Philly: 10 wins
Chiefs since 1960: 9 wins (Reid's wildcard win included)

DRM08 · 01-13-2018, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a guy to let it fly a little more.

Was just watching some highlights of Micheal Vick and DeSean Jackson with Andy. Mahomes and Hill have potential to be incredible on the deep ball. Mahomes has similar arm to Vick and Tyreek has similar speed to DeSean. Plus it looks like Kelce is a better tight end than the Eagles had at the time. Should be fun to watch!

NJChiefsFan · 01-13-2018, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I've heard a couple of podcasts this week talk about the Andy/Mahomes mesh and how it might be just what Andy needs to get the job done. I personally don't blame the game last week on him near as much as many have, but just looking back over the past two decades... I think Andy needs a QB like Pat who will keep the throttle down regardless of the situation. A QB who will take chances by default, whether he should or shouldn't.

It's a perfect marriage in theory. One guy needs someone to reel him in a little, the other needs a QB to let it fly a little more.

I agree.

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I swear if they don't do something about the #2 CB my head will explode.

I agree.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-13-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Was just watching some highlights of Micheal Vick and DeSean Jackson with Andy. Mahomes and Hill have potential to be incredible on the deep ball. Mahomes has similar arm to Vick and Tyreek has similar speed to DeSean. Plus it looks like Kelce is a better tight end than the Eagles had at the time. Should be fun to watch!

Andy is one of the great offensive schemers in the history of the league and he has never had the talent at playmaker positions which he will have here in 2018.

Part of it is just the Chiefs homer in me, but I really believe that Patrick and Andy can be the perfect combo for one another. They are exactly what each of them need IMO to reach their ceilings.

DRM08 · 01-13-2018, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Andy is one of the great offensive schemers in the history of the league and he has never had the talent at playmaker positions which he will have here in 2018.

Part of it is just the Chiefs homer in me, but I really believe that Patrick and Andy can be the perfect combo for one another. They are exactly what each of them need IMO to reach their ceilings.

Holmgren and Favre. Andy was there and saw it first hand. Only time will tell if Andy and Pat can pull off something similar, but the potential is certainly there. My biggest question with Pat is probably the injury stuff. Needs to learn to protect himself. That's even more important than learning everything else about the NFL.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Andy has his issues and I've been a critic before and will be again. That being said I think we are getting a little extreme with the criticism of him. He isn't without his strengths and QB is one of them. Andy has issues that have held him back but he also has had a lot of success.

I am confident that Andy will develop Mahomes. Hell, i'd argue he already has proven that to be the case. We just may need Mahomes to one day develop Andy a little to get where we need to go.

All of this

I hate his stubborn streak, but he will be a positive in Mahomes development

As I said in a different thread a few days ago... Andy Reid has been waiting on this kid his whole ****ing life