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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:33 PM   #1066
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No doubt we have a superbowl defense. The OL has some issues when it comes to blocking. The WR's aren't great...and TE??? Outside of Jamaal Charles, and D. Bowe, this team doesn't have many offensive threats.

Alex Smith is an average at best QB. Unfortunately, he hasn't been at his best. Sure, he hasn't thrown any INT's. But we have got to score more TD's, especially when we are usually operating on what is good field position.

If we had a top 10 offense, with our top 5 defense, we'd be unstoppable! Give the OL time to jell, and the offense a few more games with this system and it might start to bare some fruit.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:43 PM   #1067
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No doubt we have a superbowl defense. The OL has some issues when it comes to blocking. The WR's aren't great...and TE??? Outside of Jamaal Charles, and D. Bowe, this team doesn't have many offensive threats.

Alex Smith is an average at best QB. Unfortunately, he hasn't been at his best. Sure, he hasn't thrown any INT's. But we have got to score more TD's, especially when we are usually operating on what is good field position.

If we had a top 10 offense, with our top 5 defense, we'd be unstoppable! Give the OL time to jell, and the offense a few more games with this system and it might start to bare some fruit.
We have all the pieces except a QB. I can't say that enough either, because it's so goddamned frustrating.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:44 PM   #1068
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We're also 4th in most dropped passes btw.
Shameless self-quote. It seems like Alex has 0 trust in his receivers because of this. How many times have we seen him roll out, throw to Bowe on the sideline, and then have the ball dropped? It seems like after a receiver drops a ball or two he refuses to go to them afterward. As good as Charles has been he's also has had his fair share of mind-numbing drops on easy catches.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:53 PM   #1069
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We have all the pieces except a QB. I can't say that enough either, because it's so goddamned frustrating.
No offense but I don't know how anyone can say that Sean McGrath, Kevin Brock and Jeff Allen are "the right pieces".

Hudson needs to either shit or get off the pot. Asamoah sucks at pass pro. Journeyman Geoff Schwartz, who's been on three different teams in the past three years, looks better than any of them. And Eric Fisher is a joke.

Add to that, there's a serious lack of receiving depth and no established slot receiver.

This team has a lot of missing pieces, regardless of whether or not Alex Smith is the QB.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:59 PM   #1070
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No offense but I don't know how anyone can say that Sean McGrath, Kevin Brock and Jeff Allen are "the right pieces".

Hudson needs to either shit or get off the pot. Asamoah sucks at pass pro. Journeyman Geoff Schwartz, who's been on three different teams in the past three years, looks better than any of them. And Eric Fisher is a joke.

Add to that, there's a serious lack of receiving depth and no established slot receiver.

This team has a lot of missing pieces, regardless of whether or not Alex Smith is the QB.
Brady had the same issues with his 1st SB appearance and win in 2001 ( no real skill position threats). Eli has always been hounded, and Roethlisberger has had the same issues for his whole career too ( OL issues).

If you have a great QB, he'll overcome such obstacles .
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:07 AM   #1071
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We have all the pieces except a QB. I can't say that enough either, because it's so goddamned frustrating.
QB is still an issue for this team. Alex Smith is a better version of Matt Cassel. He doesn't throw the INT's that Cassel threw, he's a better runner, and better at reading a defense VS. Cassel. However, he does a lot of the same things Cassel used to do. Mainly the dink and dunk throws that aren't gong to get you sh*t.

Those are the throws that the defense wants you to make. It becomes really frustrating when it's third and long, and instead of throwing an 8-10 yard pass, he throws a 2-3 yard pass that is instantly covered by the defense. I also don't like how we are utilizing Jamaal Charles. Especially when it comes to running the football.

But our OL really isn't living up to expectations. Maybe thats because its a young group and they'll need more time to jell. But they really have to begin to perform better than they have. Giving up sacks on a 3 man rush like they did last week is inexcusable. It happened far too often. It it wasn't a sack, it was a 3 man rush that provided enough pressure to make Smith throw a bad pass or run for a yard or two. We need more out of the offense if we are going to win big games. We won't be playing the Jags and Eagles every week.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:11 AM   #1072
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Brady had the same issues with his 1st SB appearance and win in 2001 ( no real skill position threats). Eli has always been hounded, and Roethlisberger has had the same issues for his whole career too ( OL issues).

If you have a great QB, he'll overcome such obstacles .
Eli benefited from some great running backs, a great offensive line, good TE play and receiver play. When those things are absent (as they've been for the past few years), he and the Giants struggle.

Rothlisberger's 6'6 and 270 pounds. His offensive line can't hold blocks for 10 seconds while he runs around and improvises. He's also benefited from Heath Miller, Hines Ward, Mike Wallace and Santonio Holmes (not to mention the Bus). When those guys have failed to deliver, so has Ben (see the recent 8-8 seasons).
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:23 AM   #1073
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Negative, Dane.

The Giants had a terrible offensive line and running game when they won the Super Bowl in 2011.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:28 AM   #1074
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Negative, Dane.

The Giants had a terrible offensive line and running game when they won the Super Bowl in 2011.
The Giants were terrible in the regular season and barely made it. They had a solid running game in the playoffs in 2011.
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The Giants were terrible in the regular season and barely made it. They had a solid running game in the playoffs in 2011.
Don't care. Eli's amazing play got them there.
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Negative, Dane.

The Giants had a terrible offensive line and running game when they won the Super Bowl in 2011.
What?

What got the to the playoffs in 2011 was the return of their stud defensive lineman. Their defense was godly in the playoffs, shutting out the Falcons, holding San Fran to 17 and NE to 14.

You mistaken.
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What?

What got the to the playoffs in 2011 was the return of their stud defensive lineman. Their defense was godly in the playoffs, shutting out the Falcons, holding San Fran to 17 and NE to 14.

You mistaken.
5,000 yards from Eli got them to the playoffs. They had a top 10 offense. Because of him and him alone.

Defense gave up 25 PPG
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Don't care. Eli's amazing play got them there.
Wrong again, Bucko
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Wrong again, Bucko
So Eli Manning throws for 5,000 yards that year.

But you credit their shitty 25 PPG defense and #32 running game for getting them to the playoffs.

Cool story bro.
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NY won that sb by getting to Brady early and often...
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