Chiefs Geno Smith is not worth the 1st overall pick - Page 17

CoMoChief · 01-01-2013, 10:16 AM

Alex Smith v2.0

ROYC75 · 01-02-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Narrow Head

As an alternative I'd be willing to consider trading away the 2013 2nd, 3rd and 5th round picks to Washington for Cousins OR just our 2014 1st rounder (which should be a top 10 pick) and #3 in 2014 as well.

Man, that is a 5 star WTF !

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 05:56 PM

One thing that needs to be cleared up that #1 picks are more valuable under the new CBA than under the old one. You don't want to waste them.

The reasoning that says "well, we don't have to spend as much money on this #1 pick, so lets just pick a QB and roll the dice." That is bogus. The #1 pick is worth more in compensation through trades with the new CBA. You forfeit more potential players via trade now than ever before if you are not willing to trade down.

Look at the following non QB trades:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto.../trade-tracker

Cleveland Browns: Acquire pick No. 3 in 2012 Trent Richardson
Minnesota Vikings: Acquire picks No. 4, No. 118, No. 139 and No. 211 Matt Kalil

Jacksonville Jaguars: Acquire pick No. 5 in 2012 Justin Blackmon
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 7 and No. 101 Mark Barron

Dallas Cowboys: Acquire pick No. 6 in 2012 Morris Claiborne
St. Louis Rams: Acquire picks No. 14 and No. 45 Michael Brockers

Philadelphia Eagles: Acquire pick No. 12 in 2012 Fletcher Cox
Seattle Seahawks: Acquire picks No. 15, No. 114 and No. 172 Bruce Irvin

New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 21 in 2012 Chandler Jones
Cincinnati Bengals: Acquire picks No. 27 and No. 93 Kevin Zeitler

NewEngland Patriots: Acquire pick No. 25 in 2012 Donta Hightower
Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin

Minnesota Vikings: Acquire pick No. 29 in 2012 Harrison Smith
Baltimore Ravens: Acquire picks No. 35 and No. 98 Courtney Upshaw

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin
Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 36 and No. 101 Derek Wolfe

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-02-2013, 05:58 PM

**** trading down. I'm tired of hearing about it every damn year. Identify the guy that's the best prospect in the draft for us and take him. It will be a QB guarendamteed.

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:09 PM

Look at these 2011 trades:

2011 Draft Notes

Browns trade the No. 6 pick to the Falcons for the No. 27 pick, second-round (No. 59) and fourth-round (No. 124) picks in the 2011 draft and first- and fourth-round picks in the 2012 draft.

Redskins trade the No. 10 pick to the Jaguars for the No. 16 pick and a second-round pick (No. 49).

Chiefs trade the No. 21 pick to the Browns for the No. 27 pick (through the Falcons) and a third-round pick (No. 70).

Ravens originally owned No. 26 pick but time elapsed on the draft clock, allowing Chiefs to make the 26th pick. Ravens made the No. 27 selection.

Patriots trade the No. 28 pick to the Saints for a second-round (No. 56) pick in the 2011 draft and a first-round pick in the 2012 draft.

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:10 PM

You do realize that we got Houston with a 3rd round pick.

Prison Bitch · 01-02-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

You do realize that we got Houston with a 3rd round pick.

The one good move Pioli made. Basically, he was our 1st rounder and Baldwin was the 3rd, as it turned out. Like 2008: Charles was our 1st (#5 overall) and Dorsey ended up being the 3rd (#73)

O.city · 01-02-2013, 06:13 PM

Who are these teams going to want to be trading up for?

Gravedigger · 01-02-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

You do realize that we got Houston with a 3rd round pick.

The only reason Pioli chose him was because he was a first round talent that fell into his lap in the third round all because of a failed marijuana test at the combine. Pioli got lucky with Houston and Berry was just the pick that everyone would've made.

Prison Bitch · 01-02-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger

The only reason Pioli chose him was because he was a first round talent that fell into his lap in the third round all because of a failed marijuana test at the combine. Pioli got lucky with Houston

Not quite true, since no other team got "lucky" with Houston 69 picks before we drafted him.

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Who are these teams going to want to be trading up for?

Jarvis Jones is the most likely person to trade up for. Possibly Star, but the combine will help clear this up.

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:30 PM

It would be great for the Chiefs if JJones tore up the combine.

O.city · 01-02-2013, 06:31 PM

Jarvis Jones, who has a medical condition, the same one that caused multiple players to previously drop multiple rounds?

Or Star, the dlineman with no pass rushing skills?

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:35 PM

Yes. If Star has a combine like Poe. No problem. And yes the medical will be critical at the combine.

O.city · 01-02-2013, 06:37 PM

If Star has a combine like Poe? People other than Scott Pioli aren't stupid enough to draft someone based solely on the combine.

kcbubb · 01-02-2013, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

The only reason Pioli chose him was because he was a first round talent that fell into his lap in the third round all because of a failed marijuana test at the combine. Pioli got lucky with Houston and Berry was just the pick that everyone would've made.

The point was not about Pioli's ability to draft, but that if the Chiefs can trade down and obtain a few picks that those picks are very valuable.

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kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6076719	One thing that needs to be cleared up that #1 picks are more valuable under the new CBA than under the old one. You don't want to waste them. The reasoning that says "well, we don't have to spend as much money on this #1 pick, so lets just pick a QB and roll the dice." That is bogus. The #1 pick is worth more in compensation through trades with the new CBA. You forfeit more potential players via trade now than ever before if you are not willing to trade down. Look at the following non QB trades: http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto.../trade-tracker Cleveland Browns: Acquire pick No. 3 in 2012 Trent Richardson Minnesota Vikings: Acquire picks No. 4, No. 118, No. 139 and No. 211 Matt Kalil Jacksonville Jaguars: Acquire pick No. 5 in 2012 Justin Blackmon Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 7 and No. 101 Mark Barron Dallas Cowboys: Acquire pick No. 6 in 2012 Morris Claiborne St. Louis Rams: Acquire picks No. 14 and No. 45 Michael Brockers Philadelphia Eagles: Acquire pick No. 12 in 2012 Fletcher Cox Seattle Seahawks: Acquire picks No. 15, No. 114 and No. 172 Bruce Irvin New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 21 in 2012 Chandler Jones Cincinnati Bengals: Acquire picks No. 27 and No. 93 Kevin Zeitler NewEngland Patriots: Acquire pick No. 25 in 2012 Donta Hightower Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin Minnesota Vikings: Acquire pick No. 29 in 2012 Harrison Smith Baltimore Ravens: Acquire picks No. 35 and No. 98 Courtney Upshaw Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Acquire picks No. 31 and No. 126 Doug Martin Denver Broncos: Acquire picks No. 36 and No. 101 Derek Wolfe
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kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6076719	Look at these 2011 trades: 2011 Draft Notes Browns trade the No. 6 pick to the Falcons for the No. 27 pick, second-round (No. 59) and fourth-round (No. 124) picks in the 2011 draft and first- and fourth-round picks in the 2012 draft. Redskins trade the No. 10 pick to the Jaguars for the No. 16 pick and a second-round pick (No. 49). Chiefs trade the No. 21 pick to the Browns for the No. 27 pick (through the Falcons) and a third-round pick (No. 70). Ravens originally owned No. 26 pick but time elapsed on the draft clock, allowing Chiefs to make the 26th pick. Ravens made the No. 27 selection. Patriots trade the No. 28 pick to the Saints for a second-round (No. 56) pick in the 2011 draft and a first-round pick in the 2012 draft.
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