***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, there are only 100 pages of me saying masks prevent the spreading not the getting but you go on with your bad self.....

Again, explain how masks are a one way filter? It is impossible for them to limit the passing of droplets in only one direction.

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, there are only 100 pages of me saying masks prevent the spreading not the getting but you go on with your bad self.....

Bragging about having this many posts in this thread alone is pathetic.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

Again, explain how masks are a one way filter? It is impossible for them to limit the passing of droplets in only one direction.

Are you a ****ing Donger alt or something? If you wore your mask 100% correctly, no loose edges, etc, and you never did anything like touch your mask or let your mask get anywhere near your eyes and ears you might get as the study Dirk referenced up to what they say was 80% blockage.

But as all these people have said, most don't wear them right. Most touch their mask or allow the mask to come into contact with other parts of their face. You do realize the mask soaks up the droplets right? It doesn't deflect them. And even with Dirk's article, you aren't going to stop 100% of particles with a properly fit and worn mask.

You do realize if once you touch the outside of your mask if you touch your face or someone else for that matter you've pretty much just blown the whole point of wearing the mask from a prevention aspect, right?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Um, perhaps you are a touch slow but I have never argued masks don't prevent the spread. In fact I have stated just the opposite. How you missed that is really unbelievable.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...&postcount=821

Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

[limested]

Masks may be more effective than strict lockdowns.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Okay. So we’ll all anxiously await the RCT data that we’re all so familiar with then. Thank you almighty Hamas.

Just so you know most of those patients leaving whatever pharmacy you work at aren’t leaving because they’re trolls. They’re leaving because you’re an asshole and it’s likely not hard to find a pharmacist just as smart across town that will actually help them without trying to prove their intellectual superiority. Most pharmacists signed up to be helpful and give back to their community. It’s easy to spot the ones that just love to wear their white coats to feel superior. I unfortunately have to work with a few more asshole pharmacists like you than I’d like to.

I hope you’re at least giving legitimate info for Covid fatality rates in children to worried parents and not withholding that info from them just so that you can promote more social distancing. That’s all I was trying to say by bringing up that the flu is more deadly than the coronavirus in children. Most parents have a tendency to overreact when their children’s safety is involved so hopefully most parents are at least at ease more nowadays with the research we have in front of us and they aren’t overreacting thinking this is a danger to their kids.

You asked me a question, I answered it. You said that you were familiar with the terms, then say you're a layperson. You ask me the same question, I answer it again. You conflate data of one subgroup with the whole, and act like that is what the entire public draws its information from, when such a claim is an anachronism. You ask me the question yet another time, and I answer it again.

Regarding the rest of your screed: I don't work in community, but while parents do tend to overreact, it's also not something where you should be spiking the football on given the inflammatory syndrome that is becoming more known.

I'm not going to apologize for losing patience with someone with such pitiful reading comprehension who plays dumb or smart depending upon how it suits their argument. You've either been willfully dishonest or flat out stupid during this entire exchange.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...&postcount=821

Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...8&postcount=76

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

Masks may be more effective than strict lockdowns.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

I probably wouldn't argue that on the surface but I know for a fact you didn't read one ****ing word of that pdf.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by limested

Masks may be more effective than strict lockdowns.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

Huh:

Face masks work in two ways: They can protect an infected person from spreading the virus (transmission),and they can limit how much the non-infected individual is exposed to the virus (absorption).

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...8&postcount=76

I was absolutely wrong. See, that's how you do it, pete.

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I probably wouldn't argue that on the surface but I know for a fact you didn't read one ****ing word of that pdf.

Just because you have a learning disability it does not mean everyone else does.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Looks like the Butthurt Inn and Suites is gonna be at full capacity this Memorial Day Weekend.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

Masks may be more effective than strict lockdowns.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

If we want to talk about lockdowns, I think someone may have posted this already but...

REPORT: JP Morgan Finds Infection Rates Are Decreasing In States That Ended Lockdowns

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/20/j...ded-lockdowns/

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

Just because you have a learning disability it does not mean everyone else does.

In other words you didn't read a ****ing word of it. Maybe looked at the pretty pictures but most likely googled something, found this link and posted it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Looks like the Butthurt Inn and Suites is gonna be at full capacity this Memorial Day Weekend.

You getting gang banged again this weekend?