***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'll wait while you find an official website that says that.

I'll play....

Why weren’t Americans told to wear masks in the first place?

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Public health officials have an explanation for why they flip flopped on recommending masks to the general public. There was a shortage, and masks needed to be available for healthcare workers, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci told TheStreet.

“Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected,” Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told TheStreet.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ce/ar-BB15zV08

[Eleazar]

Today's ES:

The weekend did not erase the 12 state rush in cases. We have media people running around flagging 'the most cases since April!!' What a bunch of idiots.

Mild confirmation of maybe half of the uptick in cases as being real (all young demographic). Being generous. pic.twitter.com/6ScpTpnWBX

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

The crossing of these lines indicates either we are running out of old fatalities to launder, or hospitals are more tolerant in who gets admitted than in the past - or most likely, both. pic.twitter.com/xuqvj4BP88

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Much of the country resumed the downward trend today, even a couple of the states who are salting cases. That is pretty bad, when you are salting cases and you are still going down.

But alas, we have one more week of desperation trying to spin this as need for lockdown. pic.twitter.com/loXP8bIj4u

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Steady rise in hospital census - but admissions are not following suit. This game can only last so long. Eventually people will stop watching, you run out of free money, and real medical needs start wanting beds - without risk of catching Covid. pic.twitter.com/VS8lhOxxHi

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Good news today, is that when fatality numbers are not legacy boosted by old processed cases, we see a more realistic trend which matches the CDC excess all cause curve. Just remember that this CDC yellow line is over 2 weeks aged already.

In reality it may already be at EoS. pic.twitter.com/oBZNOrHUW6

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Two days of resuming the tail form - but weekend. Anticipating retiring this chart when it ends next week. As cases right now don't mean a whole lot.

Our priority now is help those harmed by the lockdowns - that population is 20x even the cum total symptomatic. pic.twitter.com/2tGbBKg7mc

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

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Edit - this is what the person means by "salting"

pic.twitter.com/a6o2xTlmiR

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Today's ES:

.

I have not had a chance to really look this person over but they seem to provide some compelling data anyway to at least maintain some perspective other than what the MSM provides.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by TinyEvel

Woke up feeling like crap. nausea, unusually low temperature (96.0) chills, yawning like crazy, runny nose, fatigue. Called to see if I should get tested for the Covids. Didn't pass the screening. I guess you have to be a first responder or high risk person otherwise it takes shortness of breath, high fever/aches and or cough, or been exposed to a known carrier to qualify for a test here in Northern CA. Wife is very high risk (breathing issues) so I wanted one. I guess I could find a back alley tester and roll up with cash?

Ugh. Sorry, man. Sending you good Covid-free vibes.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'll play....



https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ce/ar-BB15zV08

But that's referring to N95s. I'm talking about masks in general. They didn't think that COVID was spread in droplets that were large enough to be caught by a cloth mask at first but reversed the recommendation after evidence came out to suggest that it is.

[Eleazar]

I edited my earlier post #35686 to add a tweet I missed, and another to describe "salting"

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly said Covid-19 spread is trending upward in the state.

"The three metrics we use for reopening are disease spread, death, and hospitalization. Unfortunately for the first time in a while, our disease spread is trending upward," Kelly said in a news conference Monday.

She added: "Therefore, it is my recommendation, along with officials over at the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, that communities in Kansas stay in phase three of Ad Astra reopening plan."

Kansas reported an increase of 406 Covid-19 cases since Friday, bringing the total of cases to 12,465, with 259 deaths in the state.

Did Kansas meet the task force recommendation (10 to 14 days of downward trajectory) for beginning reopening?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

But that's referring to N95s. I'm talking about masks in general. They didn't think that COVID was spread in droplets that were large enough to be caught by a cloth mask at first but reversed the recommendation after evidence came out to suggest that it is.

I'm sorry, let me help you since you didn't read it...

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Public health officials have an explanation for why they flip flopped on recommending masks to the general public. There was a shortage, and masks needed to be available for healthcare workers, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci told TheStreet.

“Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected,” Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told TheStreet.

You either didn't read what I posted or completely ignored it and pretended it said something else. Either way you're wrong.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Today's ES:

The weekend did not erase the 12 state rush in cases. We have media people running around flagging 'the most cases since April!!' What a bunch of idiots.

Mild confirmation of maybe half of the uptick in cases as being real (all young demographic). Being generous. pic.twitter.com/6ScpTpnWBX

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

The crossing of these lines indicates either we are running out of old fatalities to launder, or hospitals are more tolerant in who gets admitted than in the past - or most likely, both. pic.twitter.com/xuqvj4BP88

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Much of the country resumed the downward trend today, even a couple of the states who are salting cases. That is pretty bad, when you are salting cases and you are still going down.

But alas, we have one more week of desperation trying to spin this as need for lockdown. pic.twitter.com/loXP8bIj4u

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Steady rise in hospital census - but admissions are not following suit. This game can only last so long. Eventually people will stop watching, you run out of free money, and real medical needs start wanting beds - without risk of catching Covid. pic.twitter.com/VS8lhOxxHi

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Good news today, is that when fatality numbers are not legacy boosted by old processed cases, we see a more realistic trend which matches the CDC excess all cause curve. Just remember that this CDC yellow line is over 2 weeks aged already.

In reality it may already be at EoS. pic.twitter.com/oBZNOrHUW6

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Two days of resuming the tail form - but weekend. Anticipating retiring this chart when it ends next week. As cases right now don't mean a whole lot.

Our priority now is help those harmed by the lockdowns - that population is 20x even the cum total symptomatic. pic.twitter.com/2tGbBKg7mc

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

***

Edit - this is what the person means by "salting"

pic.twitter.com/a6o2xTlmiR

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) June 22, 2020

Your best work on the site. Keep it coming.

[O.city]

Fatalities have been a lagging factor of about 7 days. So we’ll see in a week or so

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Fatalities have been a lagging factor of about 7 days. So we’ll see in a week or so

You know I call that into question on that but okay......if you look at Worldometers daily deaths peaked with new cases, not 2 weeks after.

[BigCatDaddy]

They have been falling for 2 months. How much of a lag is it?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You know I call that into question on that but okay......if you look at Worldometers daily deaths peaked with new cases, not 2 weeks after.

New cases were likely higher because of testing issues then. Or atleast it would seem that way

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

Did Kansas meet the task force recommendation (10 to 14 days of downward trajectory) for beginning reopening?

Not to my knowledge. I don’t think any state did IIRC

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Not to my knowledge. I don’t think any state did IIRC

Smart. I think Montana was, or pretty close.