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staylor26 · 12-10-2017, 02:10 PM

That is all

Hammock Parties · 05-01-2021, 06:13 PM

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KChiefs1 · 05-01-2021, 07:20 PM

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It’s embarrassing that the NFLN allows him to be an expert. There are a lot of morons on NFLN though.

**RealSNR** · 05-01-2021, 07:26 PM

Holy shit

Raiders will get an A for that draft when David Carr comes back to the NFL and leads a team to the Super Bowl

**Perineum Ripper** · 05-01-2021, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Pablo · 05-01-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Holy shit

Raiders will get an A for that draft when David Carr comes back to the NFL and leads a team to the Super Bowl

That's just as likely as Derek Carr leading a team to the Superbowl.

lawrenceRaider · 05-25-2021, 09:32 AM

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-st...-lands-at-no-4

Kiimo · 05-25-2021, 09:35 AM

As you'd expect, I was left with a strong group of qualified passers, but there are some notable omissions from the top 10. The first one that leaps off the screen (and will likely attract an avalanche of angry tweets) is the absence of perhaps the league's top quarterback and most exciting deep passer: Patrick Mahomes.

Allow me to explain. We relied on a group of metrics to rank the qualifying passers. Chief among them: completion percentage over expectation (CPOE), which represents the difference between a passer's expected completion percentage (determined by evaluating a number of factors, including pressure, time to throw, distance of attempt and separation between targeted receiver and nearest defender) and actual completion percentage. A positive CPOE indicates performance above expectation, while a negative difference indicates performance below expectation. Mahomes ranked last in CPOE among the QBs who met the aforementioned statistical requirements, with a mark of -0.7 percent.

The talent around Mahomes could be working against him when it comes to CPOE. A key part of determining expected completion percentage is the separation of a receiver from the nearest defender at the time a pass arrives. A quarterback equipped with receivers who are excellent at creating separation figures to suffer in this regard because he'll have more expected completions than your average QB. With targets like Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman and Travis Kelce, Mahomes' situation becomes the perfect storm to produce a negative CPOE, even though we all know he is an excellent passer. As they say, speed kills, but it also can significantly hurt a quarterback's CPOE.

This is primarily why Mahomes -- who posted a 107 passer rating and 12:2 TD-to-INT ratio on deep passes -- didn't land on this list. It's essentially a requirement to end up with a positive CPOE to make the cut. If a quarterback isn't at least meeting expectation on deep throws, I'm not going to include him in the top 10.

AdolfOliverBush · 05-25-2021, 09:36 AM

We know who Derek Carr is; We've seen it for years. Last year we saw peak Carr, and the season was an outlier. He'll regress to his mediocre mean this season.

ModSocks · 05-25-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-st...-lands-at-no-4

When Derrick Carr and Daniel Jones are on your list as the top 2 deep passers, and Mahomes doesn't even make your top 10, that's a huge ****ing red flag that you need to reevaluate your metrics.

If i did this exercise and that were my results i'd be too embarrassed to even post it.

I'd toss that shit in the trash and move on to some other fluff piece. Publish that instead.

smithandrew051 · 05-25-2021, 09:45 AM

Derek Carr = 4,000 yards, 25 TDs, 10 picks. A very okay QB and that’s it. Good enough to not be replaced. Not good enough to lead a real contender unless the roster is LOADED at every other position.

That’s what he is.

ModSocks · 05-25-2021, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Derek Carr = 4,000 yards, 25 TDs, 10 picks. A very okay QB and that’s it. Good enough to not be replaced.

Unless that team is the Chiefs. Then they'd trade up to 10 overall and draft a legend and send your ass to Washington.

lawrenceRaider · 05-25-2021, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

When Derrick Carr and Daniel Jones are on your list as the top 2 deep passers, and Mahomes doesn't even make your top 10, that's a huge ****ing red flag that you need to reevaluate your metrics.

If i did this exercise and that were my results i'd be too embarrassed to even post it.

I'd toss that shit in the trash and move on to some other fluff piece. Publish that instead.

Derek Carr outplayed your boy in both games last year. Fact.

Would I rather have Mahomes? Hell yes.

Carr is much, much better than the view of the average Chiefs fan around here.

Though I have to admit I'm shocked at what Gruden has done with him. I figured Carr would remain shell shocked after the Del Rio fiasco.

TEX · 05-25-2021, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

We know who Derek Carr is; We've seen it for years. Last year we saw peak Carr, and the season was an outlier. He'll regress to his mediocre mean this season.

He regressed last year when it mattered most.

Coochie liquor · 05-25-2021, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Derek Carr outplayed your boy in both games last year. Fact.

Would I rather have Mahomes? Hell yes.

Carr is much, much better than the view of the average Chiefs fan around here.

Though I have to admit I'm shocked at what Gruden has done with him. I figured Carr would remain shell shocked after the Del Rio fiasco.

Wait till you see how how he plays this season with a lesser OL. It’s gonna be epic!

jdubya · 05-25-2021, 10:11 AM

DC caught some teams off guard last year throwing downfield much more than previous years. Once again though the league and film caught up by mid season and the team faded again. Carr will be just fine when all is well around him and he has time but if he gets punched in the mouth he turns into a puddle of piss

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