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Old 06-27-2016, 11:23 AM  
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:19 PM   #526
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Options are designed for risk hedging, folks..

It's just a fun game. And it can be done without a substantial investment.
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Old 12-12-2016, 08:48 AM   #527
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Bought 12 calls on USO last Friday at .07. Opening bell today they jumped to .18. On a $72 dollar investment the return so far is 175%. Market value of $218.

USO 10.5 put's are basically kaput but no reason not to see it to the end. $70 investment has a market value of $15. Loss of market value, 81%. No reason not to ride it out.

BAC I won't get too specific but market value on initial investment has risen 201% in less than 10 days.

Options are so fun.
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Anyone participated in, or looked closely into MOMO or Momentum Day Trading? Is there truly a rhythm and reason or are these guys scam artists selling coursework?

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Old 12-12-2016, 09:07 AM   #529
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Anyone participated in, or looked closely into MOMO or Momentum Day Trading? Is there truly a rhythm and reason or are these guys scam artists selling coursework?

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Forget daytrading. Learn the basics of options and go from there. Watch the news. Pay attention to the company you want to invest in. Learn about the company want to invest in. Watch the markets daily.

Get a program like TC2000. Set up a account with a firm like TDAmeritrade or similar.
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Anyone participated in, or looked closely into MOMO or Momentum Day Trading? Is there truly a rhythm and reason or are these guys scam artists selling coursework?

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There are a shitload of scams but some legit stuff. A lot of it is complicated and takes a lot of calculus to actually calculate. It also takes a pretty sizeable amount of capital to start as there will be losses.
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Bought 12 calls on USO last Friday at .07. Opening bell today they jumped to .18. On a $72 dollar investment the return so far is 175%. Market value of $218.

USO 10.5 put's are basically kaput but no reason not to see it to the end. $70 investment has a market value of $15. Loss of market value, 81%. No reason not to ride it out.

BAC I won't get too specific but market value on initial investment has risen 201% in less than 10 days.

Options are so fun.
Eh. I'm not a fan. I'm in the futures for hedging and so you buy puts when you are at a level that you think you can make money. So if it continues to go up there are no margin calls. GREAT!!!!

Then it rolls over. And you think to yourself, "I'm so damn smart I have this hedged and so all I have to worry about is the basis. So you sell the hedged bushels at harvest and all is well right? Well while the market was going down, the put was making about half the money that the bushel was losing. FUUUUCK

it's a good tool and it certainly is cheap to run. But the bottom line is that you have to be right on the direction of the move or you are giving it away anyway. And if you are going to be right you just as well own the contract.

That's how it works on the commodity side anyway.
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Old 12-31-2016, 12:52 AM   #533
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And the year is over.

I'm pretty pleased with this year. Portfolio-wide, I got a return of 14.6% in 2016. I'll take that every year and be thrilled. How did others do? What worked and what didn't?
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Any recommendations for sectors that lagged in 2016 and can be used for increasing what could be minimal gains in 2017?
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Bought 12 calls on USO last Friday at .07. Opening bell today they jumped to .18. On a $72 dollar investment the return so far is 175%. Market value of $218.

USO 10.5 put's are basically kaput but no reason not to see it to the end. $70 investment has a market value of $15. Loss of market value, 81%. No reason not to ride it out.

BAC I won't get too specific but market value on initial investment has risen 201% in less than 10 days.

Options are so fun.
I don't see how you can make much money with the commissions eating up profits on these low dollar trades.

I trade options as well but usually $1,200-$5,000 and I like lot's of leverage like you do by buying some that are under .25 a contract. I've just missed some real grand slams.
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I'm pretty pleased with this year. Portfolio-wide, I got a return of 14.6% in 2016. I'll take that every year and be thrilled. How did others do? What worked and what didn't?
I did a little less than you at 12.67%, would have liked to do just a touch better.

I was all pretty much growth stocks in US with about 20% international, which was a laggard.

I also had 15% in a growth and income fund which I switched out a few months back due to rising interest rates. NO BOND FUNDS FOR A WHILE
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I did a little less than you at 12.67%, would have liked to do just a touch better.

I was all pretty much growth stocks in US with about 20% international, which was a laggard.

I also had 15% in a growth and income fund which I switched out a few months back due to rising interest rates. NO BOND FUNDS FOR A WHILE
12.7 is a really nice return, too. This has been a nice year to be invested.

I probably should have more international stocks. I pretty much stick to dividend stocks these days, and for some reason the ones I like tend to be American.
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12.7 is a really nice return, too. This has been a nice year to be invested.

I probably should have more international stocks. I pretty much stick to dividend stocks these days, and for some reason the ones I like tend to be American.
Mine also.
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Mine also.
I remember us talking about Coke and Pepsi a while back. I keep being tempted to put more money into them. They both made money for me this year with the dividends, but they lagged the market. Thoughts?
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