***Official 2023 STL Cardinals Thread ***

[BigRedChief]

2023 thread. Walker makes the roster. I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its official

2023 Opening Day Lineup

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Donovan 2B
Nootbar RF
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado 3B
Wilson Contreras C
Tyler O'Neill LF
Gorman DH
Jordan Walker RF
Tommy Edman SS

2022 Opening Day roster.

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The Cardinals anticipated 26-player Opening Day roster projects as follows, but will not become official until Thursday, March 30:
PITCHERS (13): Jack Flaherty-RHP, Giovanny Gallegos-RHP, Ryan Helsley-RHP, Jordan Hicks-RHP, Steven Matz-LHP, Miles Mikolas-RHP, Jordan Montgomery-LHP, Packy Naughton-LHP, Andre Pallante-RHP, Chris Stratton-RHP, Zack Thompson-LHP, Drew VerHagen-RHP, and Jake Woodford-RHP;
CATCHERS (2): Willson Contreras and Andrew Knizner;
INFIELDERS (6): Nolan Arenado, Brendan Donovan, Tommy Edman, Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Gorman and Taylor Motter;
OUTFIELDERS (5): Alec Burleson, Dylan Carlson, Lars Nootbaar, Tyler O’Neill and Jordan Walker;
INJURED LIST (3): Paul DeJong-INF, Wilking Rodríguez-RHP, Adam Wainwright-RHP.

For the new Cardinal fans that joined the Planet since last year, here are some of the historical threads going back to 2006.

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2022 thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...8#post16877588
2021 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=337124
2020 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=329273
2019 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320239
2018 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812
2012 Thread
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=254619
etc.
All the way back to 2006 WS
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312812

[ChiefsCountry]

The turf they got in London with the bounces reminds me of old days at Busch and Kauffman.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

If only Oli were Gil Hodges and anyone in the rotation could pitch like Seaver, McGraw or Ryan.

Don't forget Jerry Koosman

[Megatron96]

I realize that I'm allowing my emotions get to me at this point, but . . .

BURN IT DOWN TO THE GROUND AND START OVER.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I realize that I'm allowing my emotions get to me at this point, but . . .

BURN IT DOWN TO THE GROUND AND START OVER.

This really is the best case scenerio...just keep losing

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

This really is the best case scenerio...just keep losing

Whatever it takes to get Mo out of there. Otherwise nothing else matters.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by VAChief

Whatever it takes to get Mo out of there. Otherwise nothing else matters.

People disagreed with me for awhile...whoops

[BigRedChief]

**** Mo. we need to move Hicks and Flaherty. We have a 1.5 years of Goldy that other teams may value and situation that he to might like too.

At London Stadium, Mozeliak repeated that he does not think the Cardinals can “tank,” can pull out the parachute of a season and find a safe landing in future prospects.

“I would hope that Cardinals are not allowed to rebuild,” he said. “Amazing fan base. We know we’re not where we want to be. We know we have to make some changes. We’ll try.”

[kcpasco]

This Cards team is ass. I’m not even mad. This is a good thing if changes happen.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

**** Mo. we need to move Hicks and Flaherty. We have a 1.5 years of Goldy that other teams may value and situation that he to might like too.

At London Stadium, Mozeliak repeated that he does not think the Cardinals can “tank,” can pull out the parachute of a season and find a safe landing in future prospects.

“I would hope that Cardinals are not allowed to rebuild,” he said. “Amazing fan base. We know we’re not where we want to be. We know we have to make some changes. We’ll try.”

What exactly are you expecting to get for Flaherty? The guy has a 5 ERA, walking 5 batters per 9, and all of his advanced numbers say he's pitching about as expected. There's nothing you can point to that suggests he should be better and that there is hope for the future. And to top it all off he just got scratched from his start against the Cubs because of his hip

You'll be fortunate to get a lottery ticket for the 26th spot for Flaherty.

Hicks is also not going to bring shit back. He's another rental and a reliever at that. But he's not Aroldis Chapman. Hicks just throws hard. He has no idea how to actually pitch.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

What exactly are you expecting to get for Flaherty? The guy has a 5 ERA, walking 5 batters per 9, and all of his advanced numbers say he's pitching about as expected. There's nothing you can point to that suggests he should be better and that there is hope for the future. And to top it all off he just got scratched from his start against the Cubs because of his hip

You'll be fortunate to get a lottery ticket for the 26th spot for Flaherty.

Hicks is also not going to bring shit back. He's another rental and a reliever at that. But he's not Aroldis Chapman. Hicks just throws hard. He has no idea how to actually pitch.

Gonna guess you haven't watched him much of late.

Still a little erratic, yes, but he has a 4-seamer now that he uses to set up the sinker. So teams that could just cheat on the sinker now have to consider the possibility that it ain't gonna run armside and at 103, just that little bit of extra thought is damn tough to deal with.

No question that he still lives or dies with walks and if he heads out there and walks the leadoff man, it's gonna be a bit bumpy. But he's genuinely missing bats now and setting guys up. The 4-seamer has unlocked some stuff and it allowing his velocity and natural movement to actually make things happen out there.

29 Ks to 22 baserunners and 3 ER in 19 IP in May/June is a pretty damn good return to form. Now he's gonna get shellacked today since I said something, but the version of Hicks that we get about 4 times out of 5 these days is a genuine monster.

Honestly - I wouldn't trade him. He's 26 and finally has a plan out there. That's someone you should try to extend as you really don't have anyone to replace him.

[DJ's left nut]

That Hoerner AB was a 'that's what speed do' AB.

Hicks wasn't fooling him and wasn't even trying to. Hoerner just couldn't get around on it.

And that 88 mph slider at the knees had Suzuki bailing into the dugout but the ump blew the call.

Hicks is an asset. If the price is right you can trade anyone. But that's not someone you dump, IMO. That's truly special arm talent.

Edit: And THERE ya go, JD - that's what I'm talking about. Suzuki cheated on heat, was looking to fight off a sinker and it was a 4-seamer that simply didn't run so Suzuki swung right through it. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah, he gave up a double, but every other AB that inning was purely defensive. And after he mixed the slider in there, he finished it with that 4-seamer that's completely changed how he can pitch.

[jd1020]

He put a 100 mph fastball center center. That's nothing to do with pitching. That's just heat. He still sits on a 4 ERA.

This is like a month into the season saying Nolan Gorman just needed a year to figure things out and settle in and now he has arrived.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

He put a 100 mph fastball center center. That's nothing to do with pitching. That's just heat. He still sits on a 4 ERA.

This is like a month into the season saying Nolan Gorman just needed a year to figure things out and settle in and now he has arrived.

Again, it's a pitch he's added to his arsenal. It was a centered 4 seamer when the batter was swinging sinker. Saying that's 'just heat' is simply refusing to give credit where it's due. He completely owned Suzuki in that at bat at it was pitch sequencing as much as anything. Suzuki was trying to protect as he has been the whole time, trying to get a piece of a sinker and when the ball didn't dice he swing through it.

It was EXACTLY what I said he was doing now and has been doing since May.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again, it's a pitch he's added to his arsenal. It was a centered 4 seamer when the batter was swinging sinker. Saying that's 'just heat' is simply refusing to give credit where it's due. He completely owned Suzuki in that at bat at it was pitch sequencing as much as anything. Suzuki was trying to protect as he has been the whole time, trying to get a piece of a sinker and when the ball didn't dice he swing through it.

It was EXACTLY what I said he was doing now and has been doing since May.

JD is just bitter his Cubs blew an easy shot to sweep the Cards in London after going up 4-0 in the 1st.

The announcers were going on like this is the 1906 Cubs.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

JD is just bitter his Cubs blew an easy shot to sweep the Cards in London after going up 4-0 in the 1st.

The announcers were going on like this is the 1906 Cubs.

I'm not bitter about the Cubs losing. If anything, I want the Cubs to lose as many games as possible before the deadline because the owner is sounding like Mozeliak and acting like it's a good time to buy instead of selling the guys with actual value.