Which WR Disappointed you Most in 2023?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by scho63

A little shocked at the results of this.

We drafted Skyy and he has produced shit. Worst WR we drafted since Jon Baldwin.

Toney we picked up as scraps.

I get that but Toney wasn't really "scraps" giving up a 3rd and 6th.

Our 3rd given up ended up being Tre Tucker drafted by the Raiders.

Toney had 27 rec for 169 yds and 1 td along with 11 runs for 31 yards
Tucker had 19 rec for 331 yds and 2 td to go with 10 runs for 77 yards

Hmm.

Our other pick ended up being CB Tre Hawkins who started some games but wasn't great. But when you think that DT/DE Dante Stills went 4 picks later and would have been a nice 2nd pass rusher at DT, it makes me sad.

Toney has been a waste of assets too.

Both of them suck, which is unfortunate. I really don't know wtf Skyy's problem is but I have to think it's purely between the ears. We know Toney's is in his head already

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I get that but Toney wasn't really "scraps" giving up a 3rd and 6th.

Our 3rd given up ended up being Tre Tucker drafted by the Raiders.

Toney had 27 rec for 169 yds and 1 td along with 11 runs for 31 yards
Tucker had 19 rec for 331 yds and 2 td to go with 10 runs for 77 yards

Hmm.

Our other pick ended up being CB Tre Hawkins who started some games but wasn't great. But when you think that DT/DE Dante Stills went 4 picks later and would have been a nice 2nd pass rusher at DT, it makes me sad.

If you use a third for a high floor special teams player with a shot at being a starting LB or depth, maybe interior OL...

But a third round WR is a gamble. Clearly Toney had a much higher ceiling and a much lower floor than even most third round picks. You don't get sure thing WR1 in the third round. You don't even get sure thing WR2 in the third round.

Andy Veach rolled the dice, and outside of a few nice plays in the previous SB, they struck out. Life in the NFL drafting last each round and trying to maintain a SB roster with Mahome's cap hit.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If you use a third for a high floor special teams player with a shot at being a starting LB or depth, maybe interior OL...

But a third round WR is a gamble. Clearly Toney had a much higher ceiling and a much lower floor than even most third round picks. You don't get sure thing WR1 in the third round. You don't even get sure thing WR2 in the third round.

Andy Veach rolled the dice, and outside of a few nice plays in the previous SB, they struck out. Life in the NFL drafting last each round and trying to maintain a SB roster with Mahome's cap hit.

Any GM worth a **** isn't trying to select special teams players in the 3rd round. The 5th-7th round yes.

Even if you aren't getting QB1, CB1, LT, ER or X/Z WR in the 3rd, you are getting a SWR, IOL, LB, S, NB, RB and DT with relative regularity. So, it's not a throwaway pick. Toney cost us a potential solid starter at some position and a special teamer. Moore cost us a solid starter at some position too. I don't see the compensation as overly different and I see both of them as sucking shit. At least Moore sucked slightly less shit than Toney.

[TEX]

It was Toney for me. He was a former 1st round pick, and I figured the Giants didnt know how to get the most out of him. Figured KC could.

Had Skyy pegged for the terrible player he is from day 1. No surprise he flopped craptastickly.

[wazu]

Toney for sure. It's funny, in my Madden franchise he's really good. He and MVS both.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Toney and Moore were almost equal for me. Toney for his consistent blunders and disappearances, and Moore for just not showing anything. I could see Toney bouncing back and having a solid year, but I don't have much faith in Moore ever producing.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Toney and Moore were almost equal for me. Toney for his consistent blunders and disappearances, and Moore for just not showing anything. I could see Toney bouncing back and having a solid year, but I don't have much faith in Moore ever producing.

For me it was Sky.

I had 0 expectations and thought he would be a bust. That said I figured they'd stick him out there to prove he wasn't and he'd end up with a bunch of possession catches and inflated stats because Mahomes.

Uh, no. Actually he was useless in every possible way and managed to look like shit even while being propped up. It might be the most pathetic performance by a KC WR I've ever seen...

[KCJake]

Toney. Most of us already knew Skyy sucked

[xztop123]

I never really understood the full cause of “busts” like Moore has been thus far

I do know that if I was in his position with the opportunity to cash in on a 50 million dollar contract in the future, I would be spending my entire summer in a frigging Airbnb as close to mahomes as I could to catch passes from him

It’s seems insane not to. At least until you cash in on the payday.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by xztop123

I never really understood the full cause of “busts” like Moore has been thus far

I do know that if I was in his position with the opportunity to cash in on a 50 million dollar contract in the future, I would be spending my entire summer in a frigging Airbnb as close to mahomes as I could to catch passes from him

It’s seems insane not to. At least until you cash in on the payday.

According to Skyy himself he spent a ton of time last offseason working on his craft, to no avail. People have to get past the idea that he has some kernel of NFL level capability in him. He just doesn't have the requisite physical gifts/talents to be an NFL WR. Wish he did, but the fact is he doesn't. Time to move on, though I know Andy won't. He'll bring him back this year (and next) because he hates to just give up on a player.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

According to Skyy himself he spent a ton of time last offseason working on his craft, to no avail. People have to get past the idea that he has some kernel of NFL level capability in him. He just doesn't have the requisite physical gifts/talents to be an NFL WR. Wish he did, but the fact is he doesn't. Time to move on, though I know Andy won't. He'll bring him back this year (and next) because he hates to just give up on a player.

Id still want to be with my qb.

Everyone’s training in the offseason. Even high school athletes.

I highly
Doubt skyy knows he has no talent so he’s given up on flying to Texas to catch balls from mahomes.

Hollywood brown did it first thing after signing.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Id still want to be with my qb.

Everyone’s training in the offseason. Even high school athletes.

I highly
Doubt skyy knows he has no talent so he’s given up on flying to Texas to catch balls from mahomes.

Hollywood brown did it first thing after signing.

Yeah, he should be modeling himself after Edelman. But it looks like he just wasn't invited down to TX.


Regardless, I doubt even if he did train with Pat that it would amount to anything concrete on the field in Sept. he just doesn't have it.

[Chiefnj2]

I would have voted for Richie James. How can a kid catch nearly 60 passes from Danny Jones, but never get open for Mahomes? Toney is and always has been an injured head-case. It was foolish for Reid to rely on him whatsoever. Sadly, we all saw the writing on the wall with Moore after season one really didn’t click at all. MVS redeemed himself in the postseason. For the most part it was an expected shit show. Good thing Mahomes and the D were god-like when needed.

[scho63]

THIS JUST IN: Skyy Moore accused of rigging this poll.

[KCJake]

I'd say more than 50% of the people on this board thought Toney was a solid #1. He wasn't even a 4. Case closed