Chiefs Paying Fools Top Tier Contracts - Page 7

Simply Red · 11-21-2018, 11:19 AM

Scandrick will be gone - he gets exposed against great receivers, he's serviceable, otherwise. He will get a job, but I don't want to keep him. (& to be fair, I like him okay)

Sammy will be gone after next season, no way around that, I don't think.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2018, 11:45 AM

Idk fellas, this stuff is all fun to talk about but at the end of the day it’s out of our control and we’ve got a great season rolling.

We’ve got one of the most explosive offenses the league has ever seen, and we can rush the passer with the front four as good as anybody. It’s a great, great combination to have.

This could finally be the year.

Valiant · 11-21-2018, 11:47 AM

As years go by the contracts would not hurt as much for guys like hill.

I would pay hill, mahomes and Jones.

If I could talk them into a group discount I would see if they would do it. Give them cheaper years but add in incentive bonuses. That way if they drop off it lessens what we pay them in later years.

Ford I would tag. My gut is telling me we will have another Houston after he gets paid. Transition allows us to match. Franchise if we want to try one more year or trade.

I also want us to switch to 4 3.

As for hunt. He is good but his style won't last the contract. Elite guys are worth it still IMO if you don't have a qb. Amazing when you do like gurley.
Hell I think new England makes a play if bell hits free agency. Not at his contract demand though.

dlphg9 · 11-21-2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

As years go by the contracts would not hurt as much for guys like hill.

I would pay hill, mahomes and Jones.

If I could talk them into a group discount I would see if they would do it. Give them cheaper years but add in incentive bonuses. That way if they drop off it lessens what we pay them in later years.

Ford I would tag. My gut is telling me we will have another Houston after he gets paid. Transition allows us to match. Franchise if we want to try one more year or trade.

I also want us to switch to 4 3.

As for hunt. He is good but his style won't last the contract. Elite guys are worth it still IMO if you don't have a qb. Amazing when you do like gurley.
Hell I think new England makes a play if bell hits free agency. Not at his contract demand though.

I think the problem with basing contracts on incentives is that most guys aren't going to go for that. They know that production can just fall off a cliff no matter how hard they try. They also know players get hurt all the damn time and if they get hurt they can't hit their incentives. The players only care about what they are guaranteed.

The only way I could see the players being ok with incentives is if those incentives are extremely high, but still they know their health isn't guaranteed.

ChiefBlueCFC · 11-21-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

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That list is a little weird with 2 guys on the tag. Donald and Cox are good but 100M?! Yeesh. And Watt is another guy who is good but is hurt all the time. I love Chris Jones, but II think we all saw he’s not Donald, and he’s probably not Watt. I don’t think I want him up there.

Donald is worth the money he's making bc he is absolute wrecking ball and disrupts shit almost at will.

Watt is the same, but as you said he's had issues with health.

Jones is damn good but he isn't $100M good. Maybe in a few years.

However, if we take care of these contracts sooner rather than later, we can save money. Dorsey's issue with Berry and Houston contracts is he waited until their contracts ran up.

**kysirsoze** · 11-21-2018, 01:49 PM

Saying OBJ isn't worth it because they aren't winning doesn't apply to Hill at all. Eli ****ing blows. OBJ would absolutely be worth it with even an above average QB. Where the Ginats ****ed up is drafting Barkley. Total waste. Paying Hill with Mahomes to throw to him is a no brainer. It HAS to happen.

Dunerdr · 11-21-2018, 02:17 PM

I. Not reading the whole thread but, Aaron Rodgers has had a lot of nickels and really no quarters maybe a few dimes. And look at his ****ing career. Continue treading water every year.

**Buehler445** · 11-21-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I. Not reading the whole thread but, Aaron Rodgers has had a lot of nickels and really no quarters maybe a few dimes. And look at his ****ing career. Continue treading water every year.

That’s kind of the crux of the issue. It’s not whether to spend money. Without looking I think GB is, i don’t hear about them constantly being at the floor or anything.

But Rodgers has made a good offense out of bad talent. But they can’t buy a stop. Rather than having bad defense and a great offense maybe a decent defense and above average offense would yield better results than GB has seen.

Rodgers’ only SB win was when they had some talent on D.

**BossChief** · 11-21-2018, 02:44 PM

2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

**Buehler445** · 11-21-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

Woah. That’s bad. Some of those guys can get bent or play for peanuts. Some of those are going to HURT.

kccrow · 11-21-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Woah. That’s bad. Some of those guys can get bent or play for peanuts. Some of those are going to HURT.

Yep... I think you're looking somewhere in the 4/60-5/75 range for a Jones extension, a 5/90 with Hill, and 5/85 with Ford.

Personally, I'd extend Jones and Hill this offseason to put some of the bonus money onto their rookie deals and lower the caps a tad in the extension years. I'd franchise Ford and try to trade him, and if that doesn't work out then let him walk after 2019. I'd sign Ford if it weren't for Houston's huge contract at the same position but I don't think a team can eat two of them simultaneously with all the other contracts coming due.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-21-2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Yep... I think you're looking somewhere in the 4/60-5/75 range for a Jones extension, a 5/90 with Hill, and 5/85 with Ford.

Personally, I'd extend Jones and Hill this offseason to put some of the bonus money onto their rookie deals and lower the caps a tad in the extension years. I'd franchise Ford and try to trade him, and if that doesn't work out then let him walk after 2019. I'd sign Ford if it weren't for Houston's huge contract at the same position but I don't think a team can eat two of them simultaneously with all the other contracts coming due.

Well the thing is that the rest of this season is going to have a huge impact on all of this.

If this team does pull it off and wins a Super Bowl, all of these guys are going to expect that much more. If Jones is playing like he is right now all the way through the playoffs, he’s going to be able to ask for $100M when all is said and done. Same with Hill.

kccrow · 11-21-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Well the thing is that the rest of this season is going to have a huge impact on all of this.

If this team does pull it off and wins a Super Bowl, all of these guys are going to expect that much more. If Jones is playing like he is right now all the way through the playoffs, he’s going to be able to ask for $100M when all is said and done. Same with Hill.

Jones is playing well but he isn't anywhere near the level of Aaron Donald nor JJ Watt (esp when he got his), so I can't fathom any way he touches $100 m at this point. Hill though, he could.

JakeF · 11-21-2018, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

2019 is pretty easy, Ford is the only problem. Allen Bailey is playing much better now though but he's still not worth 8m. Ford might want huge money and I'm not sure we should pay him. Conley should be an easy keep.

2020 Hill and Jones are important keeps, the rest depends on how much they want.

oldman · 11-21-2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover)

Conley
Nelson
Morse
Bailey
Ford
Sherman
Harris

2020 FAs (65m in cap space)

Hill
Robinson
Jones
Williams
Fuller
Ragland
Murray

In the 2019 group I'd probably keep Nelson because there isn't much CB talent out there, Sherman for reasonable bucks, Bailey for the same cash, and franchise Ford. The rest can walk, we have their replacements.
The 2020 group is a little tougher. Hill and Jones are keepers. Williams and Fuller for the right money. I'd stick with DRob, but Ragland and Murray can go.

11-21-2018, 11:19 AM	#1
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	Scandrick will be gone - he gets exposed against great receivers, he's serviceable, otherwise. He will get a job, but I don't want to keep him. (& to be fair, I like him okay) Sammy will be gone after next season, no way around that, I don't think.
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9109447	Idk fellas, this stuff is all fun to talk about but at the end of the day it’s out of our control and we’ve got a great season rolling. We’ve got one of the most explosive offenses the league has ever seen, and we can rush the passer with the front four as good as anybody. It’s a great, great combination to have. This could finally be the year.
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11-21-2018, 11:47 AM	#3
Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6222380	As years go by the contracts would not hurt as much for guys like hill. I would pay hill, mahomes and Jones. If I could talk them into a group discount I would see if they would do it. Give them cheaper years but add in incentive bonuses. That way if they drop off it lessens what we pay them in later years. Ford I would tag. My gut is telling me we will have another Houston after he gets paid. Transition allows us to match. Franchise if we want to try one more year or trade. I also want us to switch to 4 3. As for hunt. He is good but his style won't last the contract. Elite guys are worth it still IMO if you don't have a qb. Amazing when you do like gurley. Hell I think new England makes a play if bell hits free agency. Not at his contract demand though.
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kysirsoze SNAP THE ****ING BALL!!! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $3406946	Saying OBJ isn't worth it because they aren't winning doesn't apply to Hill at all. Eli **ing blows. OBJ would absolutely be worth it with even an above average QB. Where the Ginats **ed up is drafting Barkley. Total waste. Paying Hill with Mahomes to throw to him is a no brainer. It HAS to happen.
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11-21-2018, 02:44 PM	#9
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1544088	2019 FAs (48m cap space after rollover) Conley Nelson Morse Bailey Ford Sherman Harris 2020 FAs (65m in cap space) Hill Robinson Jones Williams Fuller Ragland Murray __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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