****St Louis Cardinals @ Kansas City Royals (GM 2) 5/28****

[Archie F. Swin]

TORNADO WATCH IN EFFECT UNTIL 10PM

Tuesday 5/28, 7:10 PM CT at Kauffman Stadium
Radio: STL: KMOX 1120 KC: KCSP 610
TV: STL: FS-M KC: FSKC

Tyler Lyons, LHP
1-0, 1.29 ERA

Ervin Santana, RHP
3-4, 3.14 ERA

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I'm not hating but your World Series teams weren't all drafted Cardinals espeiclly your starting pitching. You hit the gold mine jackpot of all time with Pujols, Molina was a hell of pick. Carpenter was a rehab project that turned out brillant. Wainwright was a Braves pick you got for JD Drew. Freese was drafted by San Diego, he was a PITB for Edmonds. Holliday, Rolen were big trades. Garcia was home grown. But your starting pitching has always been trades or rehab jobs that Jocketty turned into gold. Your young guns look good but they haven't proven jack yet on MLB level especially in the playoffs.

Its all luck?

Thats why the current Sports Illustrated has a cover story on the "Cardinals Way" and we have the #1 rated farm system.

Let the hate go dude, geeezzz

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

I just got home.

I paid $110 for two tickets and got two ****ing hits. From the fattest guy on the team. Two ****ing hits.

Then on the way home, I'm listening to Ned in his post game presser say "Whaddya want me to do, Spank them???"


YES, NED. ****ING SPANK THEM. SPANK EVERY ****ING ONE OF THEM.

DO ****ING SOMETHING.

I believe the Royals, depending on what the Twins did, are now either tied for or in sole possession of last place.

Congratulations Ned.

You ****ing grabastic piece of limp spinal string cheese.

[stonedstooge]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"Spank it Saturdays at the K! First 10,000 fans get an autographed Yost belt."

Hey, we can get rid of Walmart belts that don't move real well. BRILLIANT/David GlASS

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I'm not hating but your World Series teams weren't all drafted Cardinals espeiclly your starting pitching. You hit the gold mine jackpot of all time with Pujols, Molina was a hell of pick. Carpenter was a rehab project that turned out brillant. Wainwright was a Braves pick you got for JD Drew. Freese was drafted by San Diego, he was a PITB for Edmonds. Holliday, Rolen were big trades. Garcia was home grown. But your starting pitching has always been trades or rehab jobs that Jocketty turned into gold. Your young guns look good but they haven't proven jack yet on MLB level especially in the playoffs.

So if you didn't draft them, it didn't count?

We traded for Freese as an overaged, 24 year old non-prospect mired in A ball; 4 years later he was a WS MVP. I'd say the Cardinals developmental staff had a hand in that.

Waino was a 21 yr old kid that the Braves were worried wouldn't re-discover his mechanics after a major growth spurt turned him into a gangly mess of arms and legs. 3 years later he closed out a WS and went on to record back to back 2nd place CY young finished before was the age Shields is now. Yeah - the Cardinals system didn't do anything there.

Chris Carpenter was a sub .500 pitcher with an ERA approaching 5 and a bad wing before becoming a CY winner and post-season God.

And all those 'rehab projects' came in and adopted the philosophy espoused by Dave Duncan and the organization to become far better than they were before they got here.

And that's not even getting into guys like Craig, Jay, M. Carpenter, Lynn, etc..; unheralded prospects that have simply outperformed the byproducts of "The Greatest Farm System in Baseball History".

But you're right - we could've totally fired a smart hitting coach, starting shouting "MOAR HOMERS!!" and chalked everything up to back luck.

Because that's all it is for the Cardinals...right? They just get lucky a lot.

The team has one big money free agent on the roster and you're honestly trying to avoid crediting their developmental system. Unreal.

[tk13]

Love him or hate him Glass has given DM more resources than other successful GMs have had. Let him spend record amounts in the draft, move toward the top in international spending, and bumped the payroll when DM wanted to fix the pitching staff. There are numerous teams that have made the playoffs spending less than the Royals in recent years. Wasting money on offensive black holes and prospects not developing are the biggest problem.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by frazod

"One goddamn hit that's all we get?" " you can't say goddamn on air" "Don't worry no ones listening"

[teedubya]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Its all luck?

Thats why the current Sports Illustrated has a cover story on the "Cardinals Way" and we have the #1 rated farm system.

Let the hate go dude, geeezzz

Quit gloating, dickhead. You're as bad me making fun of Mizzou fans.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by teedubya

Quit gloating, dickhead. You're as bad me making fun of Mizzou fans.

You should stick with sports played in Kansas.

Like soccer!

[Demonpenz]

the wierd thing is the guy opposite of ueker looks like a young denny matthews.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So if you didn't draft them, it didn't count?

We traded for Freese as an overaged, 24 year old non-prospect mired in A ball; 4 years later he was a WS MVP. I'd say the Cardinals developmental staff had a hand in that.

Waino was a 21 yr old kid that the Braves were worried wouldn't re-discover his mechanics after a major growth spurt turned him into a gangly mess of arms and legs. 3 years later he closed out a WS and went on to record back to back 2nd place CY young finished before was the age Shields is now. Yeah - the Cardinals system didn't do anything there.

Chris Carpenter was a sub .500 pitcher with an ERA approaching 5 and a bad wing before becoming a CY winner and post-season God.

And all those 'rehab projects' came in and adopted the philosophy espoused by Dave Duncan and the organization to become far better than they were before they got here.

And that's not even getting into guys like Craig, Jay, M. Carpenter, Lynn, etc..; unheralded prospects that have simply outperformed the byproducts of "The Greatest Farm System in Baseball History".

But you're right - we could've totally fired a smart hitting coach, starting shouting "MOAR HOMERS!!" and chalked everything up to back luck.

Because that's all it is for the Cardinals...right? They just get lucky a lot.

The team has one big money free agent on the roster and you're honestly trying to avoid crediting their developmental system. Unreal.

**** off I never said anything about the stupidity of the Royals. I never said anything about this years team. I was talking about your World Series teams. Hell your best team, 2004, that didn't win a championship was pretty much a bought team.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So if you didn't draft them, it didn't count?

We traded for Freese as an overaged, 24 year old non-prospect mired in A ball; 4 years later he was a WS MVP. I'd say the Cardinals developmental staff had a hand in that.

Waino was a 21 yr old kid that the Braves were worried wouldn't re-discover his mechanics after a major growth spurt turned him into a gangly mess of arms and legs. 3 years later he closed out a WS and went on to record back to back 2nd place CY young finished before was the age Shields is now. Yeah - the Cardinals system didn't do anything there.

Chris Carpenter was a sub .500 pitcher with an ERA approaching 5 and a bad wing before becoming a CY winner and post-season God.

And all those 'rehab projects' came in and adopted the philosophy espoused by Dave Duncan and the organization to become far better than they were before they got here.

And that's not even getting into guys like Craig, Jay, M. Carpenter, Lynn, etc..; unheralded prospects that have simply outperformed the byproducts of "The Greatest Farm System in Baseball History".

But you're right - we could've totally fired a smart hitting coach, starting shouting "MOAR HOMERS!!" and chalked everything up to back luck.

Because that's all it is for the Cardinals...right? They just get lucky a lot.

The team has one big money free agent on the roster and you're honestly trying to avoid crediting their developmental system. Unreal.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by tk13

Love him or hate him Glass has given DM more resources than other successful GMs have had. Let him spend record amounts in the draft, move toward the top in international spending, and bumped the payroll when DM wanted to fix the pitching staff. There are numerous teams that have made the playoffs spending less than the Royals in recent years. Wasting money on offensive black holes and prospects not developing are the biggest problem.

Yep.....and both times DM has truly tried to compete with high expectations, (09 and this year) have been complete disasters. This guy is a complete fraud.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Jason Vargas, Jerome Williams, and Tyler Lyons worked out well. I.shall continue to build my fantasy baseball team around pitchers who are going against the Royals.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 6m
Allowed 13 runs in 7 games. #EmbraceTheSuck MT @joe_sheehan: J Lyles, J Blanton, J Vargas, B Buckner, J Williams, A Wainwrigh.t, T Lyons.

The funny thing is they scored more against Adam Wainwright than any of those other turds.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

**** off I never said anything about the stupidity of the Royals. I never said anything about this years team. I was talking about your World Series teams. Hell your best team, 2004, that didn't win a championship was pretty much a bought team.

So when we sign scrap heap relievers like Kent Bottenfield, build up their value and then trade them for career underachievers that just 'somehow' become HOF quality players like Jim Edmonds, that's merely 'buying' a team.

I guess teams just prefer dealing with the Cardinals, eh? It has nothing to do with the value of players that are in our system (players the Cardinals drafted/developed, BTW); it's just that we have a clearer phone line so the teams like the Angels just preferred doing business with us.

Player development and organizational strength are far more than merely drafting players - as proven by "THE GREATEST FARM SYSTEM IN BASEBALL HISTORY!!!!"