Warren Sapp on Dorsey and LJ (NFL.com chat)

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Yeah 3-4 DEs never penetrate into the backfield with quickness.

Are you being sarcastic with me like I think you are...if so point to me the team that uses it's 3-4 lineman to create pressure and not eat up the blockers.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Are you being sarcastic with me like I think you are...if so point to me the team that uses it's 3-4 lineman to create pressure and not eat up the blockers.

Seymour has two 8 sack seasons.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Seymour has two 8 sack seasons.

And who here thinks that Dorsey will ever sniff that? A 3-4 end getting sacks is a rarity, that's the simple point I was making.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Seymour has two 8 sack seasons.

The Patriots also play a lot of 4-3.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

The Patriots also play a lot of 4-3.

No, they don't. They are generally a 3-4 team on obvious running downs and they'll use a lot of nickel on other downs. They do use the 4-3, but it's not as if it's a mainstay. The team is a base 3-4, 2 gap, team. On passing downs, Seymour gets after the QB, that's all.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, they don't.

Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

Your new coach has Denver switching to a 3-4. He's going to use the 4-3 because your defensive front sucks and he'll need to cover for its problems if it can't stop the run with the guys being conscripted to play the NT. New England is multiple with its defensive fronts, but it's just as likely to go with the "big nickel" as it is to go 4-3. Hell, there are times when they've gone with just 1 or 2 D-linemen, for that matter.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

I see by your avatar that Knowshon is an LJ fanboy. How cute.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Yes they do. Our new coach says that Denver will be switching using a lot of the 3-4 and the 4-3 because New England had a lot of success with it.

We do play 4-3 sometimes. We somewhat famously played it as a base for the first time all year in the SB game against the Eagles, if I remember correctly.

But since the start of the 2003 season we've been PRIMARILY a 3-4 team.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

The Patriots also play a lot of 4-3.

Not since 2002 or so. We've been mostly a 3-4, 2 gap team since 2004. Sure, they use the 4-3 sometimes, but the 34 is the base.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Are you being sarcastic with me like I think you are...if so point to me the team that uses it's 3-4 lineman to create pressure and not eat up the blockers.

I can show you a couple 3-4 teams that have DLmen who penetrate quite a bit.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I can show you a couple 3-4 teams that have DLmen who penetrate quite a bit.

Well? We're waiting...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I can show you a couple 3-4 teams that have DLmen who penetrate quite a bit.

Ok Jay Ratliff gets in the backfield as a NT in a 3-4...Seymour gets some sacks and then it's like uhh.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Didn't New England run the 4-3 exclusively Beli-cheat's first 3 or 4 years in NE?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Didn't New England run the 4-3 exclusively Beli-cheat's first 3 or 4 years in NE?

New England actually tried running the 3-4 early on, but the team didn't have a NT that could get the job done. They had to wait for Ted Washington to become available. If you want to see Patriots fans wince, ask them about the Steve Martin experiment. In the 3-4, you really need to have a quality NT, or you're probably going to get run on all day long. It's why both the Broncos and Chiefs could still look terrible even if most of their moves on the defenses pan out.