Chiefs What's wrong with the Bob Sutton scheme? - Page 5

**petegz28** · 10-21-2018, 02:46 PM

Set the talent level aside for a second. The scheme itself I contend is bunk. It appears to be a complete read & react defense. Sutton seems to "play not to lose" from a defensive aspect. Turnovers are what his scheme hinges on.

It just appears to be an indecisive scheme. Afraid to commit to attack the run or pass on any given play. It's like he's afraid to run blitz because it may not be a run. He's afraid to pass blitz because they may run the ball. His zone scheme does not seem to call for defenders manning up on offensive players in their zone.

I just can't get a read on what it is he is trying to do. It looks like he is trying to defend against everything all the time. It doesn't really come off that much different than the RAC 3-4.

htismaqe · 10-21-2018, 06:16 PM

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Being passive in the secondary is kinda what we need. We actually have a decent pass rush. If Sutton would commit to either stopping the run or the pass it would help greatly. As long as he runs that read-react defense we are going to get rolled.

They were passive in the secondary against the Chargers and Steelers and everybody bitched about it.

Seriously, this conversation is stupid. He's not getting fired, at least not until the season is over. It's MAHOMES TIME.

htismaqe · 10-21-2018, 06:17 PM

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Justin Houstons strength is NOT at cornerback and thats where he plays most.

The defense last year was several percentage points better with Houston in coverage.

**petegz28** · 10-21-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They were passive in the secondary against the Chargers and Steelers and everybody bitched about it.

Seriously, this conversation is stupid. He's not getting fired, at least not until the season is over. It's MAHOMES TIME.

Oh I don't expect him to go anywhere until after the season unless we just go on a huge losing streak.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2018, 07:03 PM

Sutton calling a great game so far...

ChiefsCountry · 10-21-2018, 07:07 PM

Amazing how much the defense looks when they aren't playing the GOAT and Hall of Famers in Big Ben and Rivers.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2018, 07:10 PM

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Good point. So since we suck all around quit playing so much man, cover 1. Start taking a few more chances with the ILB's and let them attack instead of fighting off OLineman.

I think this defense needs to go to a cover 2-man under if anything. The single high safety is not going to do us any good. We don't have the horses to go man without safety help.

Tyreek Hill just BURNED Burfict in a cover 2.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Amazing how much the defense looks when they aren't playing the GOAT and Hall of Famers in Big Ben and Rivers.

Right?!

htismaqe · 10-21-2018, 07:13 PM

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Amazing how much the defense looks when they aren't playing the GOAT and Hall of Famers in Big Ben and Rivers.

They've also used a bunch of different alignments up front. Twice they've put Chris Jones a bit wide and put Speaks and Ford on the same side - once it resulted in a strip sack and the 2nd time, Cinci false started.

**petegz28** · 10-21-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Sutton calling a great game so far...

thanks Jinx

rabblerouser · 10-21-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They've also used a bunch of different alignments up front. Twice they've put Chris Jones a bit wide and put Speaks and Ford on the same side - once it resulted in a strip sack and the 2nd time, Cinci false started.

Yup, I love the overloads, I love the stunting up front and the man/zone they're running tight.

Looks like quite a bit of the 3-3-5 nickel, gets more speed up front.

I don't see a single problem with the Sutton scheme.

In fact, he may be one of the better DCs in the league right now.

rabblerouser · 10-21-2018, 07:18 PM

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thanks Jinx

Did you see Burfict get burned by Reek on the cover 2?

Just to point out how that happens to other teams in the NFL as well...

ChiefsCountry · 10-21-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They've also used a bunch of different alignments up front. Twice they've put Chris Jones a bit wide and put Speaks and Ford on the same side - once it resulted in a strip sack and the 2nd time, Cinci false started.

True. You can use those formations more when the game is still close and not in full out prevent mode against the 5 wide passing attacks.

**ptlyon** · 10-21-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Sutton calling a great game so far...

No it's on the players, remember?

htismaqe · 10-21-2018, 07:24 PM

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True. You can use those formations more when the game is still close and not in full out prevent mode against the 5 wide passing attacks.

To your original point though, everybody should have noticed what the Patriots did to the vaunted Bears defense today. That offense is pretty freaking good.

**ptlyon** · 10-21-2018, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Yup, I love the overloads, I love the stunting up front and the man/zone they're running tight.

Looks like quite a bit of the 3-3-5 nickel, gets more speed up front.

I don't see a single problem with the Sutton scheme.

In fact, he may be one of the better DCs in the league right now.

Really. GFY. Jfc

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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2674127	What's wrong with the Bob Sutton scheme? Set the talent level aside for a second. The scheme itself I contend is bunk. It appears to be a complete read & react defense. Sutton seems to "play not to lose" from a defensive aspect. Turnovers are what his scheme hinges on. It just appears to be an indecisive scheme. Afraid to commit to attack the run or pass on any given play. It's like he's afraid to run blitz because it may not be a run. He's afraid to pass blitz because they may run the ball. His zone scheme does not seem to call for defenders manning up on offensive players in their zone. I just can't get a read on what it is he is trying to do. It looks like he is trying to defend against everything all the time. It doesn't really come off that much different than the RAC 3-4.
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