Bob Sutton Fired

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This is not a drill.
https://www.chiefs.com/news/bob-sutt...dinator-duties

[SuperBowl4]

Originally Posted by Rawlsian

Thanks Bob.
You managed to give up a 28 point lead against the Colts in 2013, an 18 point lead at home last year against the Titans, and earned us the title of first home team to lose a championship game despite having scored 30 points.

Yes. Bob should have been fired after his first season as CHIEFS DC. See a pattern here? The CHIEFS held on to Bob Sutton too long just like they are doing with Eric Berry

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

Now they should release Eric Berry.

Isn’t the savings with post June 1st?

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Like you, I tend to relate more with anger when it comes to these things than sadness. In fact, when I hear the phrase "heartbreaking loss", it makes me want to vomit. Nothing about football and the Chiefs shortcomings "break my heart", but they sure do piss me off!

Anyway, I feel that the honest answer to your question is this:

A complete lack of ruthlessness on the part of this organization.

The Chiefs during my tenure as a fan, and probably going back to the beginning, have always been hell-bent on presenting themselves as the "good guy above the fray". During Lamar's time, it was unthinkable to sabotage the long-term friendship in the name of success. It just wasn't done. An example from the old days might be this; suppose that George Toma was the absolute WORST groundskeeper in the league as opposed to the best. The Chiefs would have a shitty field until that man retired, and just have to deal with it, because there was no way in hell Lamar would have fired him. He was a friend. Same with Jack. Same with Carl.

Lamar prized relationships over results and a lot of that had to do with having such initial early success and believing that his way of doing things was the right way, and that eventually, things would come back around again. I don't know how much AFL history you have under your belt, but Lamar's teams dominated the AFL, going all the way back to Abner Haynes and Cotton Davidson in the early 60's. So by the time we get to Super Bowl I, there's already a long tradition of winning at a high level.


If you look at Clark, he initially started out on the same path. Carl was kept FAR too long, and Peeholi was in no danger whatsoever of being fired until the fans had to stage a revolt and let Clark know that keeping Scott was NOT okay. Everyone of his siblings wanted to fire the guy, but Clark initially did not. And you see him surrounding himself with like-minded company. Reid is clearly loyal to a fault as well, and I'd wager quite a few people working under him are geared the same way. It's a culture thing, and it goes back all the way to the beginning.
"Only distasteful teams and people make a phone call and leave a message to fire/release a player". Okay, that's fine on general principle. But what if you need to move fast to seal a contract or pick up a new asset, and that particular player is not readily available? What if that asset in question is highly important and you're in competition with another franchise to secure his services, and you can't wait to have a sit-down with the guy you are releasing in order to get this deal done? See, Dorsey was that kind of a guy; move fast, get it done, and remember this is a business above all else. That's what a good GM does. Let the coach babysit the tears and egos, that's HIS job.

Funny thing is, after this latest playoff loss, I'm guessing that Clark might be having some serious remorse over letting Dorsey go. Why? Because Dorsey was more of an embodiment of that ruthless way of doing things, and because I'm betting and hoping that Clark is finally starting his final transition OUT of the "Old Chiefs" business model. I would REALLY hope that after the Berry contract and this playoff loss, a loss where as others have said that he brought in a bunch of Alumni, banged the drum, had the trophy bearing his father's name sitting in the building for 3 days, and in general became HEAVILY invested in this game, is now finally feeling a loss the same way that we the fans have been feeling them for YEARS.
You see, I'm betting it's no longer abstract to Clark. I'm betting that this one was not only embarrassing, but that it HURT. And when it hurts, that's when you want to start making changes. That's when you want to make it so that your chances of having to experience that hurt again are greatly lessened.

I don't expect our operations to mirror NE overnight. But the swift shit-canning of Sutton is a step in that direction, and I hope we don't have to experience another AFCCG loss to keep our owner properly motivated. And I'm betting we won't.

Wow. Well said and thanks for the response. All very good points here. I hope you are right and this signals a change in the direction of winning. I feel like we just look like fools after all the post game stuff has come out about how our D was clueless, Tony Romo calling the plays, etc. Its just like wow, embarrassing. Hopefully that was a wake up call to Clark, Andy and Co. I think Pat isn't going to stand for it either. I hope this losing culture is expelled and a true lesson was learned from this not just the front office saying that but a true lesson learned.

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Originally Posted by arrwheader

Wow. Well said and thanks for the response. All very good points here. I hope you are right and this signals a change in the direction of winning. I feel like we just look like fools after all the post game stuff has come out about how our D was clueless, Tony Romo calling the plays, etc. Its just like wow, embarrassing. Hopefully that was a wake up call to Clark, Andy and Co. I think Pat isn't going to stand for it either. I hope this losing culture is expelled and a true lesson was learned from this not just the front office saying that but a true lesson learned.

Thanks! Can you imagine this loss if Smith were the QB? We'd REALLY have some window-jumpers because you KNOW that opportunity isn't coming around again with Alex Smith as your QB.

But BECAUSE we have The Prodigy, we have a light of hope and promise that hasn't been present in the entire 30 years that I have been a fan of this team. And having that level of talent at QB changes your outlook on things greatly, not just as a fan but as an owner too. It's no longer a long-shot. You're looking at your franchise and thinking, "wait a minute; we could actually DO this, and for a long time". And then you begin looking at the weak links with an eye towards eradicating them.

If a first year starter taking your team to the #1 seed in the playoffs, slaying the Indy Dragon, and making a real game of it in the AFCCG with a shitty, piecemeal defense isn't enough to get your owner to buy-in hard and start putting a little more time and effort in to the enterprise, then nothing on Earth will.