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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

A couple of reminders...

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Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
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People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Old Today, 10:16 AM   #37531
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Elaborate.
With the trials going on in Brazil, I get the impression there's going to be a vaccine ready a lot sooner than ever anticipated. Best case scenario - early fall.
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Old Today, 10:18 AM   #37532
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With the trials going on in Brazil, I get the impression there's going to be a vaccine ready a lot sooner than ever anticipated. Best case scenario - early fall.

Was there an update on the trials?
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Old Today, 10:29 AM   #37533
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Was there an update on the trials?
Just a few articles here and there. Here's one that gives some good news.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/article...m-immunity.htm
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Old Today, 10:49 AM   #37534
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The problem is vaccines are rarely 100% effective. Some people still get the disease. But it's usually milder than if they never had a vaccine.

But if this vaccine is only 70% effective (which I've heard as a reasonable expectation), and 50% of the public refuses to get on off the bat, that could be a problem.

But to be fair, the way they're going to be rushing this thing through it seems reasonable to not necessarily want to be first in line for it.
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Study does not rule out Hydroxochloroquine cocktail as a treatment.
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Old Today, 11:13 AM   #37536
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Yeah, but *certain* people touted it.
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I know a doctor in Seattle who was part of one of the Hydroxychloroquine studies. He said if there was a benefit it wasn't much from what he saw. He also posted this:


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So they are not ruling it in either.
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There are some peculiar things in their data sets.

Those started on azithromycin alone were quite a bit sicker on average. Those started on hydroxychloroquine were healthier on average.

More people on hydroxychloroquine were admitted to the ICU, where mortality is highest, yet overall mortality was substantially lower than those who took neither hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin. Those on hydroxychloroquine or hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin spent more time on a vent, where mortality is again increased, and more were on a vent overall.

But here's the real difference:

Those on hyroxychloroquine were given steroids 78.9% of the time. Those on both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin were given steroids 74.3% of the time. Those on neither hydroxychloroquine nor azithromycin were given steroids 35.7% of the time.

Given what we know about the dexamethasone trials, that is your likely culprit for decreased mortality.
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Nobody is ruling out any drug for this.

these are trials going on in Canada
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...html#wb-auto-5

and this is a basic guideline for treatment

Currently, there are no drugs or vaccines authorized for COVID-19 in Canada. While some products may alleviate symptoms such as fever and cough, there are no proven treatments to prevent or cure the disease.

Among hospitalized patients who have COVID-19 and require supplemental oxygen or mechanical ventilation, clinicians should strongly consider:
•dexamethasone 6 mg IV for 10 days (or until discharge if earlier) or equivalent glucocorticoid dose

This guidance is not meant to replace clinical judgment or specialist consultation.

Refer to the interim guidance on clinical management of patients with moderate to severe COVID-19.

Health Canada is closely tracking all potential drugs and vaccines in development in Canada and abroad. We are working with companies, academic research centres and investigators to help expedite the development and availability of treatments to prevent and treat COVID-19.
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