News RIP Steve Jobs

**AustinChief** · 10-05-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

None of that makes him a prick.

"After resuming control of Apple in 1997, Jobs eliminated all corporate philanthropy programs."

So? They provide tons of jobs for people. They partnered with RED (and were the largest donator). Just because he doesn't do it publicly and mandate that the company do it doesn't mean he's a prick. It just means it's not public.

"One former manager, for example, recalled that Jobs told an entire team of engineers they would be losing their jobs right after they came back from Christmas vacation.'

Oh no! People got fired. This happens. Sucks to have it happen around the holidays, but would they have rather not known and gone out and spent a ton of money lavishly, only to come back to no job?

Come on man.. you are taking an indefensible position... ALMOST EVERYONE who worked with him said he was a huge asshole... combine that with the fact that he was a thief...

If you can't tell.. I ****ing HATE thieves. No way to excuse what he did as an ADULT... it's not like he was 12.

Silock · 10-05-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Come on man.. you are taking an indefensible position... ALMOST EVERYONE who worked with him said he was a huge asshole... combine that with the fact that he was a thief...

He was the boss. How many people DON'T think their boss is an asshole? He might have been very hard on people, but it obviously brought out the best in them and the company. Lots of college players might think their coach is a total asshole, but then they graduate, and realize that he wasn't such a dick after all.

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If you can't tell.. I ****ing HATE thieves. No way to excuse what he did as an ADULT... it's not like he was 12.

I'm not excusing it in any way. It was wrong. But it was also over 30 years ago, and the person to whom it happened remained his friend.

What I'm saying is that you don't know him. I don't know him. It seems wrong to judge a person like that when you don't know them.

**AustinChief** · 10-05-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I'm not excusing it in any way. It was wrong. But it was also over 30 years ago, and the person to whom it happened remained his friend.

What I'm saying is that you don't know him. I don't know him. It seems wrong to judge a person like that when you don't know them.

Actually no he didn't... Woz has stated on many occasions that they were never truly friends.

yes I didn't know him... but I'm pretty sure I'm safe in my judgement.

I still don't get why anyone is defending this guy... I highly doubt you'd be defending anyone else.

Silock · 10-05-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Actually no he didn't... Woz has stated on many occasions that they were never truly friends.

yes I didn't know him... but I'm pretty sure I'm safe in my judgement.

I still don't get why anyone is defending this guy... I highly doubt you'd be defending anyone else.

He said they weren't close friends, but he didn't say they weren't friends.

In any case, I'm not defending him so much as being an agnostic about it. You don't know, and neither do I.

All I see is that an extremely intelligent and talented individual died in a really shitty way. That sucks. I'm not losing any sleep over it. My portfolio might be losing some value because of it, though >.<

Chiefspants · 10-05-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Actually no he didn't... Woz has stated on many occasions that they were never truly friends.

yes I didn't know him... but I'm pretty sure I'm safe in my judgement.

I still don't get why anyone is defending this guy... I highly doubt you'd be defending anyone else.

Where did you conjure that idea? I have always read that Jobs and Wozniak were close.

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Originally Posted by Steve Wozniak

"I chat with Steve Jobs now and then, from time to time... We have never had an argument, we have always been friends. We are not close friends like we once were spending every day together."

**AustinChief** · 10-05-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Where did you conjure that idea? I have always read that Jobs and Wozniak were close.

Oh I don't know.. from quotes by WOZ himself... having read two biographies on him.. and writing a book report on one of them back in 6th grade

Here is a quote from Woz just this year...

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“We talk occasionally on the phone. But we are definitely not friends.”

**dirk digler** · 10-05-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Oh I don't know.. from quotes by WOZ himself... having read two biographies on him.. and writing a book report on one of them back in 6th grade

Here is a quote from Woz just this year...

I am listening to Woz on CNN right now and he is comparing him to Martin Luther King etc... Nothing but praise and love for Steve.

**kysirsoze** · 10-05-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am listening to Woz on CNN right now and he is comparing him to Martin Luther King etc... Nothing but praise and love for Steve.

Did you expect him to blast Jobs on the day he died? I don't know (and don't care) if they were friends or enemies, but I imagine Steve W.'s response would be similar either way.

Chiefspants · 10-05-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Oh I don't know.. from quotes by WOZ himself... having read two biographies on him.. and writing a book report on one of them back in 6th grade

Here is a quote from Woz just this year...

Woz seems to have made conflicting statements on the matter, as my quote from Woz was taken from this year as well.

**AustinChief** · 10-05-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Woz seems to have made conflicting quotes on this issue, as my quote from Woz was taken from this year as well.

yeah, it depends on when you catch him... but if you have followed him as much as I have... it's pretty clear they weren't friends as most people would define the word.

**kysirsoze** · 10-05-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Come on man.. you are taking an indefensible position... ALMOST EVERYONE who worked with him said he was a huge asshole... combine that with the fact that he was a thief...

If you can't tell.. I ****ing HATE thieves. No way to excuse what he did as an ADULT... it's not like he was 12.

Take it FWIW, but my roommate works for Apple and he says in the company, people were afraid to have any contact with him because of his reputation of lashing out and firing people for nothing. Getting transferred to Cupertino was a scary proposition.