***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[R Clark]

County I live in now has 11 cases was at 5-6 through the shutdown. Very rural area population wise.i believe a couple of new cases is from hospital employees.

[kgrund]

The tracking of this pandemic has underscored the importance of audited reporting numbers. In the absence of audited numbers with consistent established criteria that is defined to the reader of the data, these are just numbers. It has been well documented in many States the instances of overcounting or undercounting of key metrics due to poor segregation of data, poor reporting decisions, etc. that has made a lot of this information the Wild West. Of course the information that the media chooses to fixate on without proper context to the data that they are reporting on only adds to mess.

[Donger]

I'm so glad this is over.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm so glad this is over.

It's really startling how many people actually believe this.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's really startling how many people actually believe this.

They want to believe it, so it is. They'll either ignore the data or challenge its veracity.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by kgrund

The tracking of this pandemic has underscored the importance of audited reporting numbers. In the absence of audited numbers with consistent established criteria that is defined to the reader of the data, these are just numbers. It has been well documented in many States the instances of overcounting or undercounting of key metrics due to poor segregation of data, poor reporting decisions, etc. that has made a lot of this information the Wild West. Of course the information that the media chooses to fixate on without proper context to the data that they are reporting on only adds to mess.

I don't know why this is so difficult. A simple lab test can confirm whether or not someone has COVID present on admission. I believe all post mortem deaths for the hospital and at home should all be tested. There should be no assuming when it comes to confirmation.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's really startling how many people actually believe this.

I know a couple of friends that are starting to have divides in their family because of this. One side thinks its over so plans trips or dinners or something together as a family, the other side doesn't want to go because we are still in the middle of a pandemic, so it starts a fight between the sides. Especially with father's day coming up. A good friend of mine was told she is using COVID as an excuse to avoid her family, and should see a therapist because she's obviously depressed.

I'm sure it doesn't need to be mentioned that these are families with political divides as well.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm so glad this is over.

People have accepted it and decided to live with it until a vaccine or treatment is found. It's mostly killing off elderly people that probably are at the end of their days anyways. If it was killing off young adults and kids you would see a different reaction.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm so glad this is over.

It’s almost like people only believe and/or pay attention to what the media and their twitter tells them matters.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by sedated

I know a couple of friends that are starting to have divides in their family because of this. One side thinks its over so plans trips or dinners or something together as a family, the other side doesn't want to go because we are still in the middle of a pandemic, so it starts a fight between the sides. Especially with father's day coming up. A good friend of mine was told she is using COVID as an excuse to avoid her family, and should see a therapist because she's obviously depressed.

I'm sure it doesn't need to be mentioned that these are families with political divides as well.

My daughter is flipped out about going back to school....it's pretty screwed up these are the decisions we are left with. You can either do it anyway and risk serious sickness or killing someone else...or you can be a social pariah that people make fun of. WTF

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

My daughter is flipped out about going back to school....it's pretty screwed up these are the decisions we are left with. You can either do it anyway and risk serious sickness or killing someone else...or you can be a social pariah that people make fun of. WTF

Have you educated her on the facts about the virus and school aged children?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Have you educated her on the facts about the virus and school aged children?

Yea, she has a shoddy immune system hence why she's flipped out. As numbers rise and the school wants them back in person her anxiety level isn't great, and she's not a small child she's 16.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Have you educated her on the facts about the virus and school aged children?

Good times:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=30586

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=31592

[sedated]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Have you educated her on the facts about the virus and school aged children?

That, even with minimal risk, they can pass it on to loved ones who are at a greater risk?

Also, it doesn't save all its serious harm for just retirees. Here's a healthy woman in her 20s who had to have a double lung transplant because of COVID damage: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...N9O1oLIuO6ZOZw

That rhetoric can be as dangerous as "anyone who dies shouldn't have gotten so fat"

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Good times:

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=30586

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...ostcount=31592

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html

And I nailed it and that includes more testing.
I appreciate you bringing that up.

Now that you have egg on your face let the games of moving the goal post and asking a million questions begin.