***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Can you identify, generally, these rural areas on the following county map?

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...ses/index.html

Yes, although the color coding on the map doesn't help because it lumps anywhere from 1 to 415 cases into a single color code. Just to quickly draw an arbitrary line, I'd say anywhere with less than 150 cases per 100k AND population density less than 200 people per square mile. (of course this would have to be tuned, but it's just a shot in the dark here.) On your little map, that would cover a majority (not all, of course) of the plains from KC west to Cali. Obviously this would omit most of Arizona and chunks of Colorado, but it's just a shot in the dark. I really think the population density part would be more important than the total cases part.




The reason this bugs me so much is that the town in which my parents live was economically wrecked with tons of businesses closing up permanently, all for about 100 total CASES, 2 hospitalizations, and 2 total deaths in the entire county since this whole thing started (and about 250 total cases in the surrounding 6 counties).


I know I'm Monday morning quarterbacking, but man, this whole blanket treatment thing was just a bit overzealous.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yes, although the color coding on the map doesn't help because it lumps anywhere from 1 to 415 cases into a single color code. Just to quickly draw an arbitrary line, I'd say anywhere with less than 150 cases per 100k AND population density less than 200 people per square mile. (of course this would have to be tuned, but it's just a shot in the dark here.) On your little map, that would cover a majority (not all, of course) of the plains from KC west to Cali. Obviously this would omit most of Arizona and chunks of Colorado, but it's just a shot in the dark. I really think the population density part would be more important than the total cases part.




The reason this bugs me so much is that the town in which my parents live was economically wrecked with tons of businesses closing up permanently, all for about 100 total CASES, 2 hospitalizations, and 2 total deaths in the entire county since this whole thing started (and about 250 total cases in the surrounding 6 counties).


I know I'm Monday morning quarterbacking, but man, this whole blanket treatment thing was just a bit overzealous.

So with the lockdown, you had that many cases, right? What is the rate of infection per 100,000 in that county?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

So with the lockdown, you had that many cases, right? What is the rate of infection per 100,000 in that county?

1% - the county has right around 100,000 people. The neighboring counties have much fewer.


Yes, that was with the lockdown. Without the lockdown there may have been more cases, but it would have traded off the obvious economic destruction.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

1% - the county has right around 100,000 people. The neighboring counties have much fewer.


Yes, that was with the lockdown. Without the lockdown there may have been more cases, but it would have traded off the obvious economic destruction.

Sorry, how many cases per 100,000. The graphic I linked will show you.

Right, and since that didn't happen, we'll never know for certain what would have happened. I think we can agree that it would have been much worse.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The south doesn't seem to be handling this well.

lol Check back with me when 10k+ people die in Texas

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

lol Check back with me when 10k+ people die in Texas

As Austin just locked down till August and cited rising numbers.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

As Austin just locked down till August and cited rising numbers.

Houston and Austin are having an extremely tough time.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

I think we can agree that it would have been much worse.

FYP

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

As Austin just locked down till August and cited rising numbers.

Here it comes...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

FYP

100,000 to 240,000 dead with mitigation efforts.

Over a million without.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Here it comes...

hotlink blocked bruh

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

100,000 to 240,000 dead with mitigation efforts.

Over a million without.

I see it like a forest fire


It doesn't spread as quickly or burn as hot where there aren't as many trees

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

I see it like a forest fire


It doesn't spread as quickly or burn as hot where there aren't as many trees

That's why I asked for the cases per 100,000 figure.

[Donger]

There are now at least 2,518 people currently hospitalized across Texas with COVID-19, the highest number the state has seen since the pandemic began. That number jumped up by about 200 more people from Monday's statewide report.

[Mecca]

BleedingRed is going to run off now he wasn't here yesterday for his poke fun session when he said Texas was great...

Texas is starting to get spanked which isn't surprising they have some huge cities.