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Old 11-18-2018, 12:21 PM  
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Kelce career trajectory vs. Gonzalez
Monday Night will be Travis Kelce’s 75th career regular season game. Here’s how his numbers compare to Tony Gonzalez’s first 75 games;

Tony G: 319 rec, 3,745 yards, 27 TDs.

Travis Kelce: 364 rec, 4,687 yards, 28 TDs.

Does Kelce stand a chance of continuing that pace?
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:47 PM   #61
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You are correct Gonzalez was revolutionary. You're wrong thinking Kelce isn't the same caliber player.
I am not. In 2000, NFL teams averaged 206 yards per passing per game. In 2018, they average 247. Twenty percent more.

Adding 20% to Gonzalez's yardage totals that season would give him 1500 yards, far and away a record
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:58 PM   #62
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I am not. In 2000, NFL teams averaged 206 yards per passing per game. In 2018, they average 247. Twenty percent more.

Adding 20% to Gonzalez's yardage totals that season would give him 1500 yards, far and away a record
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Old 12-02-2018, 10:08 PM   #63
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He's not.

Why do you think 4,000 yards used to be a big deal and now half the league's swinging dicks can do it?

For ****'s sake assholes like Derek Carr are completing at 70%. The only guy doing that 25 years ago was Steve Young.
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Old 12-02-2018, 10:10 PM   #64
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I remember when Gates was in his prime and everyone thought he was going to overtake Gonzo on the stats list. I always said I wanted to see him do it for as long as Tony has been doing it. We see where that ended.

Everyone gets topped eventually, and at some point TG will be dethroned as the GOAT. I don’t see anyone currently that is going to be that individual, and that includes Kelce.
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No, you're just too ****ing stupid to realize how ignorant you are.
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Old 12-02-2018, 10:13 PM   #67
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He's not.

Why do you think 4,000 yards used to be a big deal and now half the league's swinging dicks can do it?

For ****'s sake assholes like Derek Carr are completing at 70%. The only guy doing that 25 years ago was Steve Young.
Are you seriously going to argue that Kelce is not the same caliber player as Gonzalez?

I agree Gonzalez changed the position. I could argue because of that he had years for the rest of the league to catch up which I'm not.

But if you don't think Kelce can do everything Gonzalez did you're goofy. He is the same caliber player.
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Nope.
Good argument. Excellent statistical analysis, too.
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Are you seriously going to argue that Kelce is not the same caliber player as Gonzalez?

I agree Gonzalez changed the position. I could argue because of that he had years for the rest of the league to catch up which I'm not.

But if you don't think Kelce can do everything Gonzalez did you're goofy. He is the same caliber player.
He's not as good of a blocker. He's not as strong.

His hands aren't as good.

He fumbles from time to time (Gonzalez NEVER fumbled).

He gets hurt more.

He doesn't bring in contested catches as well, and he's not as good at going up to get the ball.

Athletically they are certainly comparable, but there have been plenty of tight ends who have come along since Gonzalez who were more athletic.

Most of them didn't have his intangibles.
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Good argument. Excellent statistical analysis, too.
I'm analyzing the stats posted in the thread starter. Are they wrong? If so how far off are they because if they were changed to equal stats that would put Kelce at the same caliber level.
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I am not. In 2000, NFL teams averaged 206 yards per passing per game. In 2018, they average 247. Twenty percent more.

Adding 20% to Gonzalez's yardage totals that season would give him 1500 yards, far and away a record
You know what's wrong with this mathematical analysis right?

Kinda surprised to see you do this since you seem like one of the more educated cats around here. Are you trying to get one over on people or am I giving you too much credit?
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I'm analyzing the stats posted in the thread starter. Are they wrong? If so how far off are they because if they were changed to equal stats that would put Kelce at the same caliber level.
Show me a year where Kelce was 60% ahead of the next best receiver at his position.
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Saying Kelce is in Gonzalez's class is like saying Matt Ryan is in Peyton Manning's class because he threw for 5,000 yards and 40 TD two years ago.

If Matt Ryan had played in the NFL before 2000 he would have been...I dunno...Drew Bledsoe or something.
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