***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[staylor26]

It’s also ridiculously disingenuous to pretend everybody protesting just wanted a haircut, but of course that’s what you guys aren’t going to run with.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I was never talking about protesting wanting a haircut. I was talking about people like you vilifying people that wanted to continue to live their lives under reasonable social distancing measures AFTER doing their part in flattening the curve (like getting a haircut in a barbershop with less than 10 people while following reasonable social distancing measures).

You clearly thought somebody just wanting to go to the gym was a selfish POS.

Stop pretending like it’s just the protestors that you all were shaming.

Why dont you take your own advice and stop putting words in people's mouths?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Your inability to read and comprehend the content of my posts is a "you" problem.

When I say, "people gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut," it should be pretty clear that I'm referring to people gathering in large groups for anyone with a degree of functional literacy.

You sit here and talk about hypocrisy and subtext and you can't even read simple, declarative statements with any degree of understanding. Maybe you're full of shit. Maybe you're stupid. Maybe both. I don't really care. Go pick a fight with someone else.

Your post was clearly a response to mine about “people just wanting to live their lives”. I never said anything about large groups or protests. When you said “bitching about a haircut” which is an example I used before (not protesting, just getting a haircut) so that’s why I misinterpreted that part.

But, when I was talking about people that want to go the gym, you still didn’t change your tune. You’re full of shit.

[Donger]

"I want this to be over, so it is..."

Fascinating to watch.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s also ridiculously disingenuous to pretend everybody protesting just wanted a haircut, but of course that’s what you guys aren’t going to run with.

Some also wanted to get drunk in bars, and some wanted to show off how they're part of MEAL Team 6.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Why dont you take your own advice and stop putting words in people's mouths?

I didn’t put words in his mouth. It was a misunderstanding because he has no ****ing clue that I wasn’t talking about protests even though I said “people just wanting to live their lives”.

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He didn’t say it wasn’t and was clearly justifying it. It either isn’t or it is. Science doesn’t care about social justice.

Hamas was spot on imo about this virus till that point.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Some also wanted to get drunk in bars, and some wanted to show off how they're part of MEAL Team 6.

Nobody simply cared about their livelihoods, right?

And none of it was ok. It didn’t matter what the reason was, it wasn’t justified. You were either a grandma killer or you weren’t.

But then thousands all over the country started to gather while also not following social distancing measures whatsoever and you justified that.

Wanting to go to the gym after months of doing your part? Selfish POS

Rioting and looting (which has led to deaths not even related to COVID) and potentially infecting/killing who knows how many more? Totally fine, just wear a mask!

[staylor26]

Showtime asked me to post this so Donger can see:

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/0...ss-severe.html

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Your post was clearly a response to mine about “people just wanting to live their lives”. I never said anything about large groups or protests. When you said “bitching about a haircut” which is an example I used before (not protesting, just getting a haircut) so that’s why I misinterpreted that part.

But, when I was talking about people that want to go the gym, you still didn’t change your tune. You’re full of shit.

Perhaps you need to stop being such an egoist in thinking everything is about you. That's been a continual part of the problem--you think it's always about you, when this pandemic should demonstrate to people that thinking in such ways is extremely dangerous. In that way, you epitomize the problem. Go back and look at that thread where I made that post--you'll see tons of posts about the same content made by idiots from pete to Naptown Chief.

That aside, the difference isn't hard to discern:

People wear masks and distance--the risk of transmission goes down

People gather in large groups--the risk of transmission goes up

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Now, in the cases of these protests, what happens if they don't get what they want?

Karen has to wait a few more weeks for a bob haircut.

Chad has to wait a few more weeks to get his pump on, because apparently he can't do any exercises outside the confines of a gym.

People are murdered by the same individuals tasked to protect them.

Yes, all three incur greater risks to public health. But you can wait to cut your hair and you can work out at home or outside. Outside of hashtag activism, I'm not really sure what you do to prevent the other.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Showtime asked me to post this so Donger can see:

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/0...ss-severe.html

Yes, I know that PA is and has been trending down.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Rioting and looting (which has led to deaths not even related to COVID) and potentially infecting/killing who knows how many more? Totally fine, just wear a mask!

Show me a single post where I have supported this. Do you ever get tired of lying?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Perhaps you need to stop being such an egoist in thinking everything is about you. That's been a continual part of the problem--you think it's always about you, when this pandemic should demonstrate to people that thinking in such ways is extremely dangerous. In that way, you epitomize the problem. Go back and look at that thread where I made that post--you'll see tons of posts about the same content made by idiots from pete to Naptown Chief.

That aside, the difference isn't hard to discern:

People wear masks and distance--the risk of transmission goes down

People gather in large groups--the risk of transmission goes up

--------------------------

Now, in the cases of these protests, what happens if they don't get what they want?

Karen has to wait a few more weeks for a bob haircut.

Chad has to wait a few more weeks to get his pump on, because apparently he can't do any exercises outside the confines of a gym.

People are murdered by the same individuals tasked to protect them.

Yes, all three incur greater risks to public health. But you can wait to cut your hair and you can work out at home or outside. Outside of hashtag activism, I'm not really sure what you do to prevent the other.

Not everybody was just being selfish like your narrative suggests. Many were concerned about their livelihoods and/or others. None of it mattered because COVID didn’t care what your reasoning was.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Show me a single post where I have supported this. Do you ever get tired of lying?

You didn’t not support it, and you 100% tried to justify it.

You also pretended like half the people aren’t opportunists and everybody was doing it for the right reasons.

Your bias is clear just based on how you talk about the difference in protestors.

Some of the people protesting originally were concerned about their own and/or others livelihoods combined with the economy. The people rioting and looting don’t give a **** about social justice. The way you talk about both protests makes it sound MUCH more black and white.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Not everybody was just being selfish like your narrative suggests. Many were concerned about their livelihoods and/or others. None of it mattered because COVID didn’t care what your reasoning was.

The difference is that there were measures put in place to help protect those livelihoods in the long term. That is, gathering in those large numbers would lead to case increases which would further slow progress being made against the pandemic and increase the chances of SIPOs being extended.

If you don't believe me, then you can read the responses of economists