Chiefs Is it time to go back to the 4-3? - Page 5

**petegz28** · 12-23-2014, 08:41 AM

With Hali coming to the end of his career along with DJ, if he comes back, DeVito is getting up there as well, isn't he(?), we seem to be losing the players we need to run a 3-4.

Can Dee Ford play DE in a 4-3?
Can Houston move to a 4-3 OLB ala Von Douche?
Poe on the inside of a 4-3 could be awesome, yes?

What say you all???

FTR, I prefer the 3-4 if you have the people who can play in it. But I don't think we do.

Coogs · 12-23-2014, 10:55 AM

I think the 4-3 talk has some merit.

I'm not sure our defense is a good as some would make it out to be. It was at it's best the first half of the season, when the offense was controlling the ball for nearly 40 minutes a game. When the offense stopped doing that, the defense starting getting exposed. The defense the year before started taing off at the end of the season as well.

I could see the 4-3 lineup mentioned being a pretty solid defense... and one where there could actually be some substitutions to keep guys fresh.

I could even see Houston and Ford lining up at the DE spots in a tandum that would be similar to what the Colts use to have in Freeney and Mathis.

I also think we need to mix in some zone concepts to our secondary/ back 7 from time to time.

Chief Roundup · 12-23-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Based on what's there if the ILB is best available than sure. But if WR is there I think the answer is obvious.

Reid has only ever taken one WR in the first round. Dorsey never has.

Molitoth · 12-23-2014, 11:07 AM

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Reid has only ever taken one WR in the first round. Dorsey never has.

The good QB's can make a star out of a mid-late round WR.

I'd rather drive a Porsche with some mediocre tires, than a Ford Escort with the best tires money can buy.
We need a good QB first.

Aspengc8 · 12-23-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I think the 4-3 talk has some merit.

I'm not sure our defense is a good as some would make it out to be. It was at it's best the first half of the season, when the offense was controlling the ball for nearly 40 minutes a game. When the offense stopped doing that, the defense starting getting exposed. The defense the year before started taing off at the end of the season as well.

I could see the 4-3 lineup mentioned being a pretty solid defense... and one where there could actually be some substitutions to keep guys fresh.

I could even see Houston and Ford lining up at the DE spots in a tandum that would be similar to what the Colts use to have in Freeney and Mathis.

I also think we need to mix in some zone concepts to our secondary/ back 7 from time to time.

Break down how you would use our current personnel in a even scheme? Houston fits the perfect mold for a odd OLB. He is too much for a TE to handle on run blocking, not big enough to slide down to a 5 tech and handle the run. Poe would be fine at 3 tech. What about the other DE? Ford? no way.. Bailey? Sure, but now you have Ford as a SAM or WILL in a even scheme.. no thanks. Who is going to play mike if DJ doesnt come back? Mauga as the mike in a even scheme? Helllll no. Guys like Ford, Houston, Hali make their living coming hard off the edge in a 7/9 tech. Odd front lets you hide that 4th rusher, even scheme not so much.

Oh and we play plenty of 'zone concepts' already.

Sandy Vagina · 12-23-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Sadly we could have about 10 more INTs if our DBs could catch the throws that have come directly to them. And that number isn't an exaggeration either.

I haven't missed a game, and sadly know this to be true.

Dayze · 12-23-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8

Break down how you would use our current personnel in a even scheme? Houston fits the perfect mold for a odd OLB. He is too much for a TE to handle on run blocking, not big enough to slide down to a 5 tech and handle the run. Poe would be fine at 3 tech. What about the other DE? Ford? no way.. Bailey? Sure, but now you have Ford as a SAM or WILL in a even scheme.. no thanks. Who is going to play mike if DJ doesnt come back? Mauga as the mike in a even scheme? Helllll no. Guys like Ford, Houston, Hali make their living coming hard off the edge in a 7/9 tech. Odd front lets you hide that 4th rusher, even scheme not so much.

Oh and we play plenty of 'zone concepts' already.

I do too.

**Lzen** · 12-23-2014, 11:40 AM

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No, I think if Ford is Hali's replacement, we're ****ed............

I know he's a little raw but don't you think he will improve?

Coogs · 12-23-2014, 11:48 AM

I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

Discuss Thrower · 12-23-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

Defense hasn't been a problem this year given they haven't allowed 30 points all season and have only allowed more than three touchdowns' worth of points in five games.

**hometeam** · 12-23-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

I think Dee Ford can be a viable 3-4 ROLB.

Based on what?

Wishes?

**hometeam** · 12-23-2014, 12:12 PM

The D was not a problem with this team.

Quit looking for excuses for this shit offense.

Coogs · 12-23-2014, 12:13 PM

Only 4 teams in the NFL are worse against the rush than we are. It's probably not a surprise that those 4 teams are not going to the playoffs either.

Aspengc8 · 12-23-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

So your suggestion is to switch to a scheme that you know nothing about, and we do not have the current personnel for. Brilliant. I'd love to hear your opinion on what KC needs to do offensively in order to fix the lack of production. Maybe go back to the T formation? Perhaps a little swinging-gate tomfoolery is in order? Less reads for Alex!

Sandy Vagina · 12-23-2014, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Only 4 teams in the NFL are worse against the rush than we are. It's probably not a surprise that those 4 teams are not going to the playoffs either.

Yep. The offense sucked in shameful fashion in a few games when the game was reaching the end. They needed a scoring drive with no timeouts and a minute left... but the reason for this was that the defense allowed opponents to chew up clock and timeouts.. making the chance for a final scoring drive far less likely.

Team game... they all feed off each other. KC can't just rest on sketchy statistics and think the defense is fine. The poor run D must be focused on.

Sandy Vagina · 12-23-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8

So your suggestion is to switch to a scheme that you know nothing about, and we do not have the current personnel for. Brilliant. I'd love to hear your opinion on what KC needs to do offensively in order to fix the lack of production. Maybe go back to the T formation? Perhaps a little swinging-gate tomfoolery is in order? Less reads for Alex!

No reason to be an asshole about it. Dude is just pondering something to consider. You considered it.. don't like... now just toddle off.

12-23-2014, 08:41 AM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2784127	Is it time to go back to the 4-3? With Hali coming to the end of his career along with DJ, if he comes back, DeVito is getting up there as well, isn't he(?), we seem to be losing the players we need to run a 3-4. Can Dee Ford play DE in a 4-3? Can Houston move to a 4-3 OLB ala Von Douche? Poe on the inside of a 4-3 could be awesome, yes? What say you all??? FTR, I prefer the 3-4 if you have the people who can play in it. But I don't think we do.
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12-23-2014, 10:55 AM	#61
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1594349	I think the 4-3 talk has some merit. I'm not sure our defense is a good as some would make it out to be. It was at it's best the first half of the season, when the offense was controlling the ball for nearly 40 minutes a game. When the offense stopped doing that, the defense starting getting exposed. The defense the year before started taing off at the end of the season as well. I could see the 4-3 lineup mentioned being a pretty solid defense... and one where there could actually be some substitutions to keep guys fresh. I could even see Houston and Ford lining up at the DE spots in a tandum that would be similar to what the Colts use to have in Freeney and Mathis. I also think we need to mix in some zone concepts to our secondary/ back 7 from time to time.
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12-23-2014, 11:48 AM	#68
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1594349	I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.
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12-23-2014, 12:12 PM	#71
hometeam Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Casino cash: $4111956	The D was not a problem with this team. Quit looking for excuses for this shit offense.
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12-23-2014, 12:13 PM	#72
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1594349	Only 4 teams in the NFL are worse against the rush than we are. It's probably not a surprise that those 4 teams are not going to the playoffs either.
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