***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigBeauford]

India is being ravaged by COVID:

"Covid-19 has hit this country with a ferocity not seen before...but not unexpected either". WARNING - this is a very distressing but necessary report from @yogital, Fred Scott and Sanjay Ganguly on the human catastrophe unfolding in #Delhi. Please watch #CovidIndia #BBCNewsTen pic.twitter.com/A5Pi1nwd0n

— Nicola Careem (@NicolaCareem) April 21, 2021

Why is this video so stealthily shot? No news Channel will show you this. 3.15 lakh patients ad per the fudgy data of Modi govt. #WhoFailedIndia ? @narendramodi pic.twitter.com/REX9svmjMQ

— Suby #ReleaseSanjivBhatt (@Subytweets) April 22, 2021

[PHOG]

The wife made a full recovery yesterday (3rd day), only had mild flu like conditions (2nd day), I just had site of the shot soreness and a little fatigue. We both got the shots in our non-dominant arm. Today, everything's back to normal. (Moderna 2nd shot)

[Otter]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

India is being ravaged by COVID:

"Covid-19 has hit this country with a ferocity not seen before...but not unexpected either". WARNING - this is a very distressing but necessary report from @yogital, Fred Scott and Sanjay Ganguly on the human catastrophe unfolding in #Delhi. Please watch #CovidIndia #BBCNewsTen pic.twitter.com/A5Pi1nwd0n

— Nicola Careem (@NicolaCareem) April 21, 2021

Why is this video so stealthily shot? No news Channel will show you this. 3.15 lakh patients ad per the fudgy data of Modi govt. #WhoFailedIndia ? @narendramodi pic.twitter.com/REX9svmjMQ

— Suby #ReleaseSanjivBhatt (@Subytweets) April 22, 2021

Yeah, people aren't meant to be piled on top of one another. Surprised not hearing more from Brazil.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by Otter

Yeah, people aren't meant to be piled on top of one another. Surprised not hearing more from Brazil.

This is what happens when a pandemic runs unchecked. You end up with people lined up to simply get someone inside the hospital.

[MahomesMagic]

A key responsibility of public health officials is to help people understand properly the risk of major health threats. Using these poll results - showing that most vastly overestimate actual C19 hospitalization risk - to assess their performance, I'd fire them all tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/QgsW6fOBF5

— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) April 23, 2021

[louie aguiar]

Looks like Canada and UK have banned travel from India. I wonder if the US will follow soon. The "double mutant" variant that they're dealing with looks to be pretty bad.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

Looks like Canada and UK have banned travel from India. I wonder if the US will follow soon. The "double mutant" variant that they're dealing with looks to be pretty bad.

They were at 300,000 cases a day. Be at a million soon. This could actually cause a catastrophe or civil unrest if they don't do something serious soon.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

Looks like Canada and UK have banned travel from India. I wonder if the US will follow soon. The "double mutant" variant that they're dealing with looks to be pretty bad.

Banning travel may well be reasonable, but that variant along with the other variants will eventually find their way into the US if they haven't already.

And it should be clear by now that these variants are hitting younger people than the original virus did.

Given the number of people vaccinated, I don't expect the US to see a surge like we had last winter. However, it also appears there will remain enough unvaccinated individuals that the country won't reach herd immunity.

It seems rather likely that these variants will eventually sicken a lot of Americans who could have been spared if they had chosen to gotten the vaccine.

The vaccine appears to provide better protection against some of these variants than having gotten sick with the original covid virus.


It may only be a trickle here and there and it may get better over summer before getting worse in the fall.

But the variant that is in India will eventually be widespread in the US if we don't reach herd immunity. And herd immunity doesn't look to be in our future.

[louie aguiar]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Banning travel may well be reasonable, but that variant along with the other variants will eventually find their way into the US if they haven't already.

And it should be clear by now that these variants are hitting younger people than the original virus did.

Given the number of people vaccinated, I don't expect the US to see a surge like we had last winter. However, it also appears there will remain enough unvaccinated individuals that the country won't reach herd immunity.

It seems rather likely that these variants will eventually sicken a lot of Americans who could have been spared if they had chosen to gotten the vaccine.

The vaccine appears to provide better protection against some of these variants than having gotten sick with the original covid virus.


It may only be a trickle here and there and it may get better over summer before getting worse in the fall.

But the variant that is in India will eventually be widespread in the US if we don't reach herd immunity. And herd immunity doesn't look to be in our future.

Agreed - hopefully the vaccines will provide adequate protection against the variants. I just hit two weeks after my second shot and feeling good about getting back out again. It's crazy that half a world away it's worse than it's ever been.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Banning travel may well be reasonable, but that variant along with the other variants will eventually find their way into the US if they haven't already.

And it should be clear by now that these variants are hitting younger people than the original virus did.

Given the number of people vaccinated, I don't expect the US to see a surge like we had last winter. However, it also appears there will remain enough unvaccinated individuals that the country won't reach herd immunity.

It seems rather likely that these variants will eventually sicken a lot of Americans who could have been spared if they had chosen to gotten the vaccine.

The vaccine appears to provide better protection against some of these variants than having gotten sick with the original covid virus.


It may only be a trickle here and there and it may get better over summer before getting worse in the fall.

But the variant that is in India will eventually be widespread in the US if we don't reach herd immunity. And herd immunity doesn't look to be in our future.

That's not how it works

[Chief Pagan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/u...gtype=Homepage

But the vaccinations of older people do not explain rising hospitalizations among people younger than 60, including those in their 20s and 30s. Public health experts say the outbreak — driven by the B.1.1.7 variant of the virus, which is more contagious and more severe — is spreading rapidly in younger age groups. And across the state, doctors and nurses are increasingly reporting a concerning trend: Younger patients are coming in more often with serious cases of Covid-19.

According to state data from Maryland, where overall hospitalizations are up from last month, people in their 30s have a 5 percent chance of being hospitalized if they learn they have the virus


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/h...gtype=Homepage


Vaccines Are Effective Against the New York Variant, Studies Find

The research adds to a growing number of findings suggesting the Pfizer and Moderna shots are protective against the variants identified so far.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

A key responsibility of public health officials is to help people understand properly the risk of major health threats. Using these poll results - showing that most vastly overestimate actual C19 hospitalization risk - to assess their performance, I'd fire them all tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/QgsW6fOBF5

— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) April 23, 2021

This is very important and a big reason why Fauci is a complete failure. Dude has been an embarrassment.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

They were at 300,000 cases a day. Be at a million soon. This could actually cause a catastrophe or civil unrest if they don't do something serious soon.

100 years ago - India would lose a million people a year to malaria and yellow fever. Crazy shit.

[Monticore]

Did it really take an MIT study for this, I am really surprised how much they have downplayed the airborne aspect of the virus , study al

Staying 2 metres apart does little to limit indoor spread of COVID-19: study

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newsp...ehp&li=AAggNb9


more evidence masks help .


For example, the site estimates it would take two days for 25 people wearing masks and talking to be exposed to the virus if an infected person entered the room.

If those 25 people are not wearing masks and speaking, that exposure time drops to 77 minutes. If they're singing without a mask, they would be exposed in three minutes.



On a side not Toronto has started using its field Hospital and we are running out of vaccines, good times.

[TLO]

India