Washington Commanders congressional hearing

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

And just WTF do you think congress does ?
Pot calling the kettle black

Congress has a slush fund to pay off sexual harassment claims and feel like they can judge how an NFL team runs their organization.

You just can’t make this shit up.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Congress has a slush fund to pay off sexual harassment claims and feel like they can judge how an NFL team runs their organization.

You just can’t make this shit up.

Ummm… when they break a shitload of laws and then thumbs their nose because they can get away with it, you can absolutely judge how an nfl team runs an organization. As if this is just a few woman complaining about getting their ass slapped. It’s not like we’re investigating the golden state warriors here. They’re investigating the most dysfunctional org in all of sports.

Imagine an owner who on top of having sexual harassment suits bullied whistleblowers, tampered with investigations, blackmailed his employees, sabotaged enemies through privileged info, got caught with frauding other orgs and their customers, on top of being overwhelmingly unpopular…. Imagine that guy still being untouchable. THAT is the shit you can’t make up.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Ummm… when they break a shitload of laws and then thumbs their nose because they can get away with it, you can absolutely judge how an nfl team runs an organization. As if this is just a few woman complaining about getting their ass slapped. It’s not like we’re investigating the golden state warriors here. They’re investigating the most dysfunctional org in all of sports.

Imagine an owner who on top of having sexual harassment suits bullied whistleblowers, tampered with investigations, blackmailed his employees, sabotaged enemies through privileged info, got caught with frauding other orgs and their customers, on top of being overwhelmingly unpopular…. Imagine that guy still being untouchable. THAT is the shit you can’t make up.

Meh, if he broke the law indict him. If the women have a claim sue him. If the other owners have a problem then they have ability to remove him.

Not seeing how the government should to decide who is good enough or morally qualified to own a company nor be told how to run said company as long as following the law.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Meh, if he broke the law indict him. If the women have a claim sue him. If the other owners have a problem then they have ability to remove him.

Not seeing how the government should to decide who is good enough or morally qualified to own a company nor be told how to run said company as long as following the law.

But it’s not a regular company. If it were he would’ve been ousted decades ago. He is protected by congressional antitrust rules. It’s absurd that the only way to get rid of an owner is a 2/3 vote of owners. The commissioner of the league said he can’t do anything about it.

And how are you supposed to indict him when he’s abusing power to compromise the investigation? The nfl is complicit in a top secret investigation where they’re not only hiding info, they’re using that privileged info to blackmail and threaten witnesses.

My main interest in this is I think it’s absurd that taxpayers who pump millions into a team and have an obvious entertainment interest in a city having a good team have zero stake in deciding who owns the team that represents them. It shouldn’t be this hard to get rid of an owner and snyder is making a mockery of it by showing at an extreme level how much he can get away with. I think bad owners should be WAY easier to get rid of. Look at how bad it has to get and he STILL might get away with it.

It’s not like we’re talking about a bad actor. We’re talking about one of the worst actors imaginable who has abused his power while capitalizing off of billions in public money. If not for this, then who holds him accountable? To date, the answer is nobody.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it’s not a regular company. If it were he would’ve been ousted decades ago. He is protected by congressional antitrust rules. It’s absurd that the only way to get rid of an owner is a 2/3 vote of owners. The commissioner of the league said he can’t do anything about it..

Antitrust rules do not protect anything he has done. If you want to get rid of those rules you would be ending sports as we know it.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And how are you supposed to indict him when he’s abusing power to compromise the investigation? The nfl is complicit in a top secret investigation where they’re not only hiding info, they’re using that privileged info to blackmail and threaten witnesses. .

There are also crimes for destroying evidence, blackmailing threatening witnesses etc. Seems like the government can not prove a crime and wants to by pass that little technicality and jump right to sentencing phase.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

My main interest in this is I think it’s absurd that taxpayers who pump millions into a team and have an obvious entertainment interest in a city having a good team have zero stake in deciding who owns the team that represents them. It shouldn’t be this hard to get rid of an owner and snyder is making a mockery of it by showing at an extreme level how much he can get away with. I think bad owners should be WAY easier to get rid of. Look at how bad it has to get and he STILL might get away with it.

It’s not like we’re talking about a bad actor. We’re talking about one of the worst actors imaginable who has abused his power while capitalizing off of billions in public money. If not for this, then who holds him accountable? To date, the answer is nobody.

Not disagreeing on not pumping public funds into his team or NFL. My disagreement is the ability to step in and interfere with how the NFL runs their business. IF they have no problem with Snyder as an owner the fans have the option of not being entertained by his team.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Antitrust rules do not protect anything he has done. If you want to get rid of those rules you would be ending sports as we know it.



There are also crimes for destroying evidence, blackmailing threatening witnesses etc. Seems like the government can not prove a crime and wants to by pass that little technicality and jump right to sentencing phase.



Not disagreeing on not pumping public funds into his team or NFL. My disagreement is the ability to step in and interfere with how the NFL runs their business. IF they have no problem with Snyder as an owner the fans have the option of not being entertained by his team.

It absolutely protects what he has done. Because of revenue sharing snyder gets to be a shitty shitty owner and pay zero consequence because other owners pick up his tab. If it’s true that he was fraudulently withholding revenue sharing with owners then he also violating that which makes this an ftc violation. The nfl also abuses this power to get away with shit nobody else can. Can you imagine if any other company refused to show their books the way sports owners do? Not even just publicly, they are allowed to hide their books in collective bargaining. That’s absurd. Owners can get away with anything because they feel zero impact when they do shitty things.

And it means they can hold cities hostage by threatening to leave or they can steal from the public by demanding public funds while making no effort to provide a quality product. That’s a horrible experience if the suggestion is a lifelong Washington fan simply find another team instead of the simpler solution which is to get rid of the owner that’s failing them. Bad owners who alienate fans should lose money. When they suffer from gross misconduct they should feel the hurt, not just a throwaway $10m fine. And the cities that “employ” him should have the leverage to do something about bad ownership. It should not be in the hands of other owners who don’t care if Washington is shit.

And that’s not even getting into the legality of all this. If the nfl is complicit in helping Washington break laws then an outside party should absolutely step in. The same way they did and should have for steroid use. Who would’ve stopped the blatant doping if not for congressional investigation? They are investigating enormous misconduct of a multibillion dollar business. Maybe Congress can be focused on something else but it’s not like they’re overreacting.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It absolutely protects what he has done. Because of revenue sharing snyder gets to be a shitty shitty owner and pay zero consequence because other owners pick up his tab. If it’s true that he was fraudulently withholding revenue sharing with owners then he also violating that which makes this an ftc violation. The nfl also abuses this power to get away with shit nobody else can. Can you imagine if any other company refused to show their books the way sports owners do? Not even just publicly, they are allowed to hide their books in collective bargaining. That’s absurd. Owners can get away with anything because they feel zero impact when they do shitty things.

And it means they can hold cities hostage by threatening to leave or they can steal from the public by demanding public funds while making no effort to provide a quality product. That’s a horrible experience if the suggestion is a lifelong Washington fan simply find another team instead of the simpler solution which is to get rid of the owner that’s failing them. Bad owners who alienate fans should lose money. When they suffer from gross misconduct they should feel the hurt, not just a throwaway $10m fine. And the cities that “employ” him should have the leverage to do something about bad ownership. It should not be in the hands of other owners who don’t care if Washington is shit.

And that’s not even getting into the legality of all this. If the nfl is complicit in helping Washington break laws then an outside party should absolutely step in. The same way they did and should have for steroid use. Who would’ve stopped the blatant doping if not for congressional investigation? They are investigating enormous misconduct of a multibillion dollar business. Maybe Congress can be focused on something else but it’s not like they’re overreacting.

Seems like your in favor of the public taking private property anytime they do not like how the property is being used.